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Old 04-17-2021, 11:01 AM   #1
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Many of us worry about preparing our children to succeed in college, should they wish to go. Right now I'm working as a graduate teaching assistant and my job is to grade papers. So I thought I'd offer some suggestion for how to prepare your student to write a research paper:

Teach them about voice. Telling your professor you are going to give them the 'hot take' on a subject or reference TikTok as a place you learn a lot is not the 'voice' of an academic paper. Submitting a paper to a PhD. who specializes in women's health should not include verbiage such as 'you might be wondering if you should be worried about this...'

Teach them the difference between a research paper and a persuasive paper. Leaving out important information to make your opinion look like the only right choice is not appropriate.

Teach them to read the directions. If it says four pages, it means four pages. If it says five sources, it means five sources. Remind them to reread the directions before submitting the assignment. The first thing the grader is going to read before grading should be the last thing the student reads before submitting.

Teach them that writing does not have to happen in isolation. Ask people to read their work, listen to them read their work, ask for help when they need it. What we do as homeschoolers is optimal for improvement, it's not just because our kids are at home with parents.

Teach them to proof read beyond the spell checker. Check the basics - does it list the correct professor, for example.

If your topic had to be approved, do NOT change it without approval.

Make sure they know that a real person is going to read this paper and if you make things up, they are very likely to catch you (and it will magnify all the other errs you made). I just read a paper that discussed the beginning of Birth Plans in the early 2000s. Clearly having had babies in the 1990s when birth plans were very common place meant everything else she wrote was suspect.
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excellent advice.

sad that you have to give such advice.
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Thank you for making it in to a consis list.

If it would be ok I might copy them out to share with early bird in a year or so.

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Thank you for making it in to a consis list.

If it would be ok I might copy them out to share with early bird in a year or so.

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Feel free. I'm working on a list to post at the beginning of next semester. This is just my second semester grading and its depressing to read some of these papers.
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It amazes me that they not only got through high school, but also a bachelor's degree and still turn in papers like this.

The idea of getting your topic approved is one they might not have encountered as an undergrad. But the rest should be old habit by the time you get to grad school.
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yes, I agree. It is baffling and concerning honestly.
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It amazes me that they not only got through high school, but also a bachelor's degree and still turn in papers like this.

The idea of getting your topic approved is one they might not have encountered as an undergrad. But the rest should be old habit by the time you get to grad school.
No. They are undergrads. I grade because it's how I get my grad school tuition waived and a stipend. BUT some of them are seniors, so it's close.
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Default Re: College - advice from the other side....

Good advice. And I'll be honest, homeschoolers have a advantage here if their parents are teaching these things. Because quite frankly the schools aren't. I don't think this is a unique situation you're seeing -- now that my children are of college age, I'm seeing more and more college papers, talking academically to college students, etc., and honestly, I've been startled.

Where we've failed them... I'm not entirely sure. But absolutely we (our society as a whole) have failed this generation of young adults (for the most part) in the education front I strongly believe.
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Ive proofed and edited for people at work and realized Ds who I was so concerned about due to learning issue already writes better than most college seniors. Its shocking.

Dd1 skated through both English classes required for her degree w almost no effort obtaining As. And its not the school cuz its Not true for science gen Eds especially and for sure not core classes of her surgical tech degree is actually cut throat and brutal (shes in core semester 1 and the clas dropped from 8 to 5 and they are not even finished w the semester- shes not struggling and has an A average right now but its really hard work)

Sharing that to say , it seems to me English skills from High school seem to be sorely lacking compared w the other gen Eds and college students are showing it.
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I highly recommend the Analytical Grammar workbooks.

https://demmelearning.com/products/analytical-grammar/

We are doing the orange and yellow books with a 5th & 8th grader. Green will be used in high school. Green can be used by younger kids who are motivated.
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My suggestion is IEW college essay preparation. That’s what dd1 did

Another great College prep writing program is fortuigence.
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"females are the only species that reproduce" I'm just going to leave that with you to ponder.
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"females are the only species that reproduce" I'm just going to leave that with you to ponder.
I'm thrilled you brought this up. The grammar books we're loving have a $22 curriculum that covers everything you're mentioning. . It's for 8th-12th.
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"females are the only species that reproduce" I'm just going to leave that with you to ponder.
But who do females reproduce with since I though one of the characteristics of a species is they only produce young, that can reproduce, with in the same species?

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