Gangbangers and Gluesticks

[Hermana Linda]

Is there really that much difference between using gluesticks and/or plastic plumbing line and using dowels and/or leather strips? Is it just that the plastic doesn't leave marks?

[ShiriChayim]

Ok, this is off the top of my memory going back to what I've read before, but my understanding is that the use of the glue sticks and plumbing line are recommended specifically because they don't leave marks, BUT the reason they don't leave marks is because the damage they do is not superficial but more deep tissue damage. It is more painful and ultimately more dangerous when the whipping is prolonged, but without the same evidence.

[Hermana Linda]

So, it is the plastic which causes that effect?

My point in asking the question though was that people seem more shocked by the use of plastic tubing and glue sticks than the use of other instruments. I have noticed this all around the internet.

[ShiriChayim]

Well...my understanding is rudimentary but I think it has to do with how pliable they are, they are not rigid like a belt or stick that gives a "crash" affect, but because there is give on both sides, for some reason the damage done is deeper, but also more painful.

I do think that many of the people who are doing this likely don't understand that the lack of bruise doesn't mean it's a more gentle injury than a beating that would leave one.

[Hermana Linda]

That makes sense.

[Zooey]

Originally Posted by ShiriChayim

Well...my understanding is rudimentary but I think it has to do with how pliable they are, they are not rigid like a belt or stick that gives a "crash" affect, but because there is give on both sides, for some reason the damage done is deeper, but also more painful.

I do think that many of the people who are doing this likely don't understand that the lack of bruise doesn't mean it's a more gentle injury than a beating that would leave one.

I think that's right. I mean, I have heard that, in the old days (hopefully never again!), that rubber hose used to be used in the same way, for the same reason.
My stepfather had a teacher when he was in school who used a rubber hose.

[Waterlogged]

I knew someone who was using a glue stick. She kept one in every room. I managed to convince the group not to read SACH but read Families where Grace is in Place instead.

The glue stick thing still makes me .

I too am "WOW"!!! And realizing how sheltered I am in my own little happy world with my family...people actually do that? How does one spank with a glue stick n e way? Actually, I don't want the visual of that . I will be praying for those peeps that do that!!!

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Also, that's so awesome that you went over to those guys and asked them!!! I am trying to come out of my shell, and change antisocial habbits so I totally admire you for it

Originally Posted by zzubadoo

I too am "WOW"!!! And realizing how sheltered I am in my own little happy world with my family...people actually do that? How does one spank with a glue stick n e way? Actually, I don't want the visual of that . I will be praying for those peeps that do that!!!

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Also, that's so awesome that you went over to those guys and asked them!!! I am trying to come out of my shell, and change antisocial habbits so I totally admire you for it

Welcome zzubadoo No, you don't want the visual on that. The people I know who use them keep hitting until the child submits and is "broken"

And, they laugh about it.

[Hermana Linda]

The glue stick in question is for a hot glue gun, not the little one for paper. It's similar to the plastic plumbing supply line.

[Beautiful Chaos]

I have never heard of such a thing......WOW, that is so sad

[ruhama]

Originally Posted by ShiriChayim

Well...my understanding is rudimentary but I think it has to do with how pliable they are, they are not rigid like a belt or stick that gives a "crash" affect, but because there is give on both sides, for some reason the damage done is deeper, but also more painful.

I do think that many of the people who are doing this likely don't understand that the lack of bruise doesn't mean it's a more gentle injury than a beating that would leave one.

I'm just so physically sickened by people who do this.

Also, glue sticks are denser than most wooden dowels or wooden spoons - thus imparting MORE force IN ADDITION TO the "whip" effect their flexibility imparts.

[6boysmom]

The first time I ever heard of this was a couple of years ago by my son's counselor/social worker! She was telling me that she knew that a lot of people used belts to spank their kids and she had to keep reporting them to CPS for leaving marks. She told me that she recommends that people should use glue sticks instead!

I told her that I don't need that kind of advice and that I don't spank my kids at all. I asked her why she didn't just recommend that parents not spank and she said that it's so ingrained in people that they wouldn't listen to her.

Anyway, I am a very curious person- I decided to try this, (on myself- of course!! lol) but I didn't realize that glue sticks could be 10 inches long. I just grabbed a 4 inch one and flicked my leg a few times with it. Umm- that was dumb! I am very fair skinned too. But I had to explain my red marks to my dh- LOL. But I didn't do it hard and had red marks on my leg for at least 3 days- so I am not sure about this theory, but it sure made me sick that people would actually do this to children!

[OperaDivaMom]

My parents used one of those on my younger siblings, I had grown up past spanking age when they got it. Actually, I think they spanked me with it once, I remember it being incredibly painful. It shocks me now, thinking about it as a parent. I know my parents love me, but that definitely crossed a line.

[LearningMama]

Originally Posted by OperaDivaMom

My parents used one of those on my younger siblings, I had grown up past spanking age when they got it. Actually, I think they spanked me with it once, I remember it being incredibly painful. It shocks me now, thinking about it as a parent. I know my parents love me, but that definitely crossed a line.

I understand the shock that you feel when you look back at your childhood and realize some things your parent/s did was not ok.