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Old 03-19-2010, 05:29 PM   #1
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Someone suggested that this topic would be a good spin-off topic from the Michael Pearl mess since I mentioned on that thread that Kirk Cameron recommends Ted Tripp's parenting resources on his website and claims that he uses them continually with his children. As he is very influential, it seems an important topic to discuss respectfully of course.So, I am starting the topic.
First off, I want to say, that I do not think Kirk Cameron is a "bad" person. I think he genuinely believes he is being a good Christian and is listening to the teachings of others who claim that their teachings are biblical and right.
There are a bunch of links in which state his endorsement of Ted Tripp's teachings. if you like I can post broken links of them tomorrow. i am a substitute postal carrier and will be back home late tomorrow afternoon. well, the time varies as it depends on the mail count witch is variable.
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One of the Bible teachers who is posting wonderful blogs arguing against Pearl's teachings also recommends Tripp. I can't really understand it. You can find links on my website. He's the one where I say, "a pastor who uses Tedd Tripp's teachings in his church, speaks out against Pearl's teachings."
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Im not fam. W/trip..what is his platform?
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One of the things that disturbed me most when I read his book was where he describes taking his daughter upstairs for chastisement, and as they made their way downstairs afterwards, he said, "You don't look sweet enough yet. I think we need to go back upstairs until you're sweet."

I'm sorry, I don't have the book in front of me, so I can't give page numbers or quotes. I'm going from memory here. A lot of the good things in his book echo the "tying heart strings" concept that the Pearls teach, and I think a lot of parents like that idea. Then they throw the icky stuff like that in. He teaches not only that spanking is okay, but it's necessary and required by the Bible. He pretty much teaches that a child's salvation depends on it.
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i'm for more info on TT. the church i attend womens bible study at is doing a parenting class by paul david tripp, which i can only assume is the DVD series with his brother ted. a lot of my IRL friends go here...so i;m but also interested to know more about what TT says, so i can be prepared for any conversations that may come up.

ETA: i did a little more digging and found SACH and BW on the recommended parental resources page on the churches website. does it seem odd that a church would recommend book on sleep training? it seems a little out of line to me. i am disppointed, expecially since after their blog had some awesome articles, like a very favorable commentary on the Christianity Today article from January. sigh. sorry for the hijack...back to the regularly scheduled thread.

is there anywhere to read a summary of the SACH info?

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i'm for more info on TT...
Info on Ted Tripp here.

If that link doesn't put you at post #3, scroll down to it.
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He teaches not only that spanking is okay, but it's necessary and required by the Bible. He pretty much teaches that a child's salvation depends on it.
I'm very sorry that is how you perceived his position through the book. I attend the church that he pastors and that is not at all what he teaches, believes or advocates. I have been told not to spank my children at all and encouraged more than I am ready to recount at the moment on my recovery from parenting ala Pearl. In fact if you even mention the TTUAC book you can see visible disgust in the eyes of Pastor Tedd and Margy. They are very kind, patient and loving people and I do admit it doesn't necessarily come though in the book but my entire family owes them a debit of gratitude as the healing that has happened as we have detoxed from TTUAC is amazing and for the very first time I can see that my children's salvation most certainly does not depend on anything outside of Christ.

I understand that there are a great deal of ladies here who find even the mere concept of spanking so repugnant that it is impossible to see those who advocate it as anything but monsters themselves writing child abuse manuals and I agree with that in regards to the Pearls due to my own experience.

I am here to learn more about gentle discipline using logical consequences since that is what type of discipline I was advised to use.
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Thank you for your input, Striving4Grace! I appreciate it.

I'm another who would like more info on Ted Tripp because my parents really like him...
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I'm very sorry that is how you perceived his position through the book. I attend the church that he pastors and that is not at all what he teaches, believes or advocates. I have been told not to spank my children at all and encouraged more than I am ready to recount at the moment on my recovery from parenting ala Pearl. In fact if you even mention the TTUAC book you can see visible disgust in the eyes of Pastor Tedd and Margy. They are very kind, patient and loving people and I do admit it doesn't necessarily come though in the book but my entire family owes them a debit of gratitude as the healing that has happened as we have detoxed from TTUAC is amazing and for the very first time I can see that my children's salvation most certainly does not depend on anything outside of Christ.



I do not know what to say. SACH is HIS book-HIS BOOK advocates what amounts to abuse. I am confused. You go to HIS church and he dislike a book he wrote? Am I missing something? My friends church just did a SACH course and she said it advocated spanking as the removal of sin.
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I'm very sorry that is how you perceived his position through the book. I attend the church that he pastors and that is not at all what he teaches, believes or advocates. I have been told not to spank my children at all and encouraged more than I am ready to recount at the moment on my recovery from parenting ala Pearl. In fact if you even mention the TTUAC book you can see visible disgust in the eyes of Pastor Tedd and Margy. They are very kind, patient and loving people and I do admit it doesn't necessarily come though in the book but my entire family owes them a debit of gratitude as the healing that has happened as we have detoxed from TTUAC is amazing and for the very first time I can see that my children's salvation most certainly does not depend on anything outside of Christ.

I understand that there are a great deal of ladies here who find even the mere concept of spanking so repugnant that it is impossible to see those who advocate it as anything but monsters themselves writing child abuse manuals and I agree with that in regards to the Pearls due to my own experience.

I am here to learn more about gentle discipline using logical consequences since that is what type of discipline I was advised to use.
So Ted told you himself not to spank "AT ALL"?
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They have written a new book called Instructing a Child's Heart that is, IMO vastly different to SACH. I own it so I can answer pointed questions with direct quotes and page numbers if anyone would like. I'm not yet finished with it, though.
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There are shades of gray to much in life and this is no exception. I don't equate Tripp and Pearl - very few people do I put in the same category as Michael Pearl. But I do think that Tripp teaches some ideas that are illogical and damaging. I will give credit where due - he does spend a lot of time talking about the need for relationship with your children. I am thrilled that he sees the Pearl's teachings for the twisted mess that they are and that he is helping families recover from it.

BUT, his writing still must stand for themselves. While teaching about relationship in parenting he also teaches two very distrubing concepts - 'spank them 'til they're sweet' (my words, not his), which is the idea that requires a child to fake an emotion pleasing to the parent to avoid more physical pain; and the concept of the 'heart to bottom connection'. If we could change someone's heart by beating them, lets start with the adults - but we can't and that is not how Christ taught us to relate to people. I could almost understand someone who claims a pure behavior modification motivation for spanking over a teaching that proports that pain can change the motivations of a child's heart.

If you have a personal relationship with Ted Tripp and would be willing to ask him about the two above concerns, I would love to hear what he has to say. Otherwise, we have to evaluate an author on his words and discern their value or potentially negative consequences on that alone.
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What does IACH say about discipline? It is touted as a accompaniment to SACH.
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