ATI?

sprout · 06-19-2009, 09:09 PM

I was watching the Duggars on TVLand and it looked like the conference was a lot of fun.

What do you know about it?

and, I think many are against due to the Pearlness of it? but, I didn't see any of that...not, that it is not there....

allisonintx · 06-19-2009, 09:11 PM

ATI is Gothard's program. Run away. Run very very fast.

relizabeth · 06-19-2009, 09:12 PM

It's not good at all. My close friend was very, very involved in ATI and it was incredibly damaging to her & her family.

sprout · 06-19-2009, 09:14 PM

I'm mostly interested in a curious way. We are very much relaxed homeschoolers and not quite ....looking for the words so not to offend any....so wholesome I guess you could say. I think we are more the crunchy/hippie with modernism homeschoolers.

sprout · 06-19-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by relizabeth

It's not good at all. My close friend was very, very involved in ATI and it was incredibly damaging to her & her family.

if you don't mind me asking...how was it damaging?

sprout · 06-19-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Allison In TX

ATI is Gothard's program. Run away. Run very very fast.

I don't know much about Gothard. I will have to look into that.

but, I have heard him spoken of not in a nice way.

ReedleBeetle · 06-19-2009, 09:22 PM

I think it looks....um.....legalistic. It reminds me of my Apostolic Christian school i went to but with more "training" involved. I thought that episode made it look like a place to find a husband as well. I do enjoy seeing the Bates and Duggars get together though...you can tell they are great friends!

relizabeth · 06-19-2009, 09:25 PM

PM'd you.

sprout · 06-19-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ReedleBeetle

I think it looks....um.....legalistic. It reminds me of my Apostolic Christian school i went to but with more "training" involved. I thought that episode made it look like a place to find a husband as well. I do enjoy seeing the Bates and Duggars get together though...you can tell they are great friends!

I'm really not trying to be dumb...I guess I just don't get it. What do you mean by "legalistic" and "training"?

The one episode I saw on the hs looked like us...B is Ball and the older kids do the work on the computer. What does that have to do with the ATI stuff?

I am just trying to process it b/c in all honesty, I guess I just don't get it.

cindergretta · 06-19-2009, 09:35 PM

Gothard believes in training children. You train them to behave, even infants.

Legalistic mean they use the Bible as a sledgehammer to condemn. Well, that is how I see it.

Really it means working from a base of fear and guilt rather than love and grace.

They are trying to force people to be "good Christians" by appearing to look like "good Christians." It isn't an inward heart issue, but an outward appearance issue. Does that make sense?

ReedleBeetle · 06-19-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sprout

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Originally Posted by ReedleBeetle

I think it looks....um.....legalistic. It reminds me of my Apostolic Christian school i went to but with more "training" involved. I thought that episode made it look like a place to find a husband as well. I do enjoy seeing the Bates and Duggars get together though...you can tell they are great friends!

I'm really not trying to be dumb...I guess I just don't get it. What do you mean by "legalistic" and "training"?

The one episode I saw on the hs looked like us...B is Ball and the older kids do the work on the computer. What does that have to do with the ATI stuff?

I am just trying to process it b/c in all honesty, I guess I just don't get it.

Legalistic in the "must where certain things, no make-up, act this way, worship this way, don't dance, do this, do that" kind of a thing...ATI goes FAR beyond just schooling...it is a culture. The training I mean they are being into training for cheerful all the time and nothing else but a "cheerful countenance and a quiet tone" is acceptable. There are just so many little things I see that make me feel that way...but I have been in a similar culture like I said....so maybe that is why. I would say I was projecting...except I know that it really is that way from waht I have read about Gothard and his ATI program.

ReedleBeetle · 06-19-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cindergretta

Gothard believes in training children. You train them to behave, even infants.

Legalistic mean they use the Bible as a sledgehammer to condemn. Well, that is how I see it.

Really it means working from a base of fear and guilt rather than love and grace.

They are trying to force people to be "good Christians" by appearing to look like "good Christians." It isn't an inward heart issue, but an outward appearance issue. Does that make sense?

WOW! you said that GREAT!

cindergretta · 06-19-2009, 09:40 PM

Thanks!

sprout · 06-19-2009, 09:40 PM

yes, it does make sense. and, thank you for the definitions...I clearly needed them!

I am going to poke around online tomorrow and find out about this "Gothard" person....I am interested to know why he is the way he is.

interesting about the love/fear issue too.

ReedleBeetle · 06-19-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sprout

yes, it does make sense. and, thank you for the definitions...I clearly needed them!

I am going to poke around online tomorrow and find out about this "Gothard" person....I am interested to know why he is the way he is.

interesting about the love/fear issue too.

I find it most interesting that he isn't married and isn't a parent...yet makes lots of rules for both.

06-19-2009, 09:09 PM	#1
sprout Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,261	ATI? I was watching the Duggars on TVLand and it looked like the conference was a lot of fun. What do you know about it? and, I think many are against due to the Pearlness of it? but, I didn't see any of that...not, that it is not there....

06-19-2009, 09:11 PM	#2
allisonintx Rose Garden Some Cal/Mag will probably fix that. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: catching up on the laundry Posts: 41,294	Re: ATI? ATI is Gothard's program. Run away. Run very very fast. __________________ allisonintx Wife to Stephen Mother to Elizabeth 19, Andrew 17, Abigail 14 & Evelyn 12 Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take a boat in the air that you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turn of the world. Love keeps her in the air when she ought to fall down. Tells you she's hurting before she keens. Makes her a home. . . . . . . .

06-19-2009, 09:12 PM	#3
relizabeth Deactivated Proverbs are proverbial. Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,517	Re: ATI? It's not good at all. My close friend was very, very involved in ATI and it was incredibly damaging to her & her family.

06-19-2009, 09:14 PM	#4
sprout Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,261	Re: ATI? I'm mostly interested in a curious way. We are very much relaxed homeschoolers and not quite ....looking for the words so not to offend any....so wholesome I guess you could say. I think we are more the crunchy/hippie with modernism homeschoolers.

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ReedleBeetle Rose Garden Hangin' on for dear life! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: WV, I'm a mountain momma Posts: 25,579	Re: ATI? I think it looks....um.....legalistic. It reminds me of my Apostolic Christian school i went to but with more "training" involved. I thought that episode made it look like a place to find a husband as well. I do enjoy seeing the Bates and Duggars get together though...you can tell they are great friends! __________________ RiAnnon infj Single Momma to LegoCraft May 2005

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relizabeth Deactivated Proverbs are proverbial. Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,517	Re: ATI? PM'd you.

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cindergretta Deactivated My miracle blessing who brings tears to my eyes! Join Date: May 2005 Location: In Constant Confusion Posts: 22,110	Re: ATI? Gothard believes in training children. You train them to behave, even infants. Legalistic mean they use the Bible as a sledgehammer to condemn. Well, that is how I see it. Really it means working from a base of fear and guilt rather than love and grace. They are trying to force people to be "good Christians" by appearing to look like "good Christians." It isn't an inward heart issue, but an outward appearance issue. Does that make sense?

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cindergretta Deactivated My miracle blessing who brings tears to my eyes! Join Date: May 2005 Location: In Constant Confusion Posts: 22,110	Re: ATI? Thanks!

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sprout Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,261	Re: ATI? yes, it does make sense. and, thank you for the definitions...I clearly needed them! I am going to poke around online tomorrow and find out about this "Gothard" person....I am interested to know why he is the way he is. interesting about the love/fear issue too.

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