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05-02-2005, 01:40 PM | #1 |
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Who's Ferber & what does it mean to Ferberize?
I've heard a lot about "Ferberizing" you dc. What does that mean? I read something on babycenter.com this morning by someone who was a "gentler" version of Richard Ferber (he has some book on sleeping), but she still said not to bf babies to sleep. What's up with that? I bf my dd to sleep and she sleeps on her own when I'm not there, too (so she debunked that silly myth).
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05-02-2005, 01:45 PM | #2 |
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Re: Who's Ferber & what does it mean to Ferberize?
Ferber is a sleep "expert" who did extensive studies on sleep. His book is actually quite useful - I read it.
His main theory has to do w/ sleep associations and that led to his CIO advice. He also has some useful info on how sleep works in general that is very useful. He does recommend against letting babies CIO before they are 6 months old and his book states that *some* babies need to eat during the night until they are a year old and CIO will not help if this is the problem. The CIO is just his solution to *one* sleep issue that kids can have. He offers other advice for other sleep issues.... I think he would be appalled by the Ezzo program. |
05-02-2005, 03:39 PM | #3 |
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Re: Who's Ferber & what does it mean to Ferberize?
Ferber himself came out against CIO later on, saying that his earlier advice was wrong and not healthy for the baby. I can't find the link...when I do I will post it.
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Re: Who's Ferber & what does it mean to Ferberize?
Ferber believes in gradual sleep training. He does believe in CIO, but in gradual steps. Eventually the result is supposed to be you putting baby down awake and baby falls asleep on his/her own.
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05-02-2005, 04:11 PM | #5 |
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Re: Who's Ferber & what does it mean to Ferberize?
My mother recieves a package of "infant care" every year from Texas Early intervention. I never really paid attention to it till way after DD birth but their is a large "sleeping guide" that was co written with Ferber on it (can't recall the other) anyways its actually really good. They go through a HUGE list of things to consider (wet, hungry, cold, hot, lonely, sick, gassy, over stimulated , under stimulated, to tired, not tired, allergies, colic a really complete list and holding comforting baby is HIGHLY reccomended. It says IF all these things have been ehausted and/or your feeling frustrated then lay baby in a safe place and take five mintues it also suggests if possible allowing the other parent to keep watch for that time (so you can gain composure) then recoomends atempting to comfort baby again if they don't settle on their own. Its not the extreme CIO that Ezzo ect reccomend
I'm not advocating CIO here I prefer methods such as Sears but considering this information goes out to many "unprepared moms" like teen moms single moms the "five minute" rule I didn't read as "Its okay to ingnore baby" but as its okay to walk away for a few if your feeling over whelmed. Id rather a baby be put in a safe place to CIO a bit then have a parent physically harm them. Deanna
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Re: Who's Ferber & what does it mean to Ferberize?
His method of CIO/Sleep training involves "gradual" extinction - Lying baby in crib, letting them cry for 5 minutes, going in to shush or pat for a few seconds, leaving and letting them cry for 10 minutes, shushing and patting for another few seconds, and then leaving and letting baby cry for 15 minutes. Supposedly, you should keep at 15 minute intervals the first night until baby falls asleep. The next night, you work in 10, 15, 20 minute intervals...then 15, 20, 25 minute intervals...etc until baby learns not to cry at bedtime because no one is coming to get them The parents I know who have practiced CIO often talk about using ear plugs, going outside and/or using headphones to drown out the sounds of their crying baby Ferber, Mindell and Weisbluth all stress that even if your baby vomits while CIO, you shouldn't let go of the training. Clean baby and crib up silently and then leave baby again. I just don't know how a mama does that
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05-02-2005, 08:52 PM | #8 |
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Re: Who's Ferber & what does it mean to Ferberize?
Yes, that is what i was referring to. Ferber has publicly stated that he was very wrong to advocate those practices, and he denounces CIO in general now.
Too bad he doesn't see the need to recall all his old books that give the advice. |
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Re: Who's Ferber & what does it mean to Ferberize?
Ferber did recant some of his statements--he now says that co-sleeping can be a great arrangement, if done safely and if everyone involved sleeps well.
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He has also pubicly said that Ezzo's program/books could be harmful to infants and that infants should NOT be sleeping through the night at 8 weeks--they're too young and need the fluid/nourishment during the night. Quote:
Ferber's book is called Solve Your Child's Sleep Problems and it's in most libraries. I actually think his advice for what to do with older children (school age and up) with sleep problems is pretty good. He also doesn't take a hard stand on sleep for infants like Ezzo does. He writes that if a mom is okay with nursing her baby to sleep, there's no reason to stop, just be aware that the baby will want to continue it for a long time and that night wakings are more likely when a baby is nursed to sleep. I'm NOT recommending his book, but his book is certainly not as bad as Ezzo's book. |
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05-03-2005, 03:16 PM | #10 |
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Re: Who's Ferber & what does it mean to Ferberize?
Lisa, that's good to know! I also wouldn't recommend the book, but it's good to know that those reading it will get those words.
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Re: Who's Ferber & what does it mean to Ferberize?
Personally I have found the "new" feerbeer advice to be a good source for moms who are trying to get away from the extremes of Ezzo but all out AP methods scare them. I know its not the ideal situation but its TONS better.
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