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Old 05-11-2012, 07:19 PM   #1
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I have not read the Omnivore's Dilemma but I know there is information about how unhealthy corn is. It's on my "to read" list . So I posted on FB about corn, asking if "organic" corn was okay. A friend didn't elaborate but said it was just awful for us and will kill us. Soooooooo, anyone care to enlighten this girl who hasn't done a lot of research on corn?
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Corn is a high-calorie and nutritious grain crop that you most definitely want in a survival garden. It's sustained entire peoples for centuries in some parts of the world (usually in combination with beans, which compliment the nutrients in corn). Corn is not awful and is not unhealthy.

Because corn is such a high-energy and multi-purpose crop, it's one of the primary crops that science has tried to improve upon. They've done it through natural hybridization (completely safe, natural breeding and selection of plants), through hybridization in the lab (just speeding up natural breeding process) and by inserting genes and such from things that would not naturally cross with corn (animals, etc... not accepted as safe by all, including myself). It's the latter that scares people away from modern commercially farmed corn because it's so prevalent in the food supply.

"Organic" merely refers to how a plant is grown. If a plant is grown in ground that has not had synthetic chemicals added to it and no synthetic chemicals were used on the plant while it was growing, both the plant and the seeds produced by that plant can be slapped with the "organic" label and if the variety is established and stable and meets certain criteria, also the "heirloom" label. However, there are many pesticides that occur in nature and that are harmful to humans at certain levels. Organic growers are allowed to apply these pesticides with little regulation and because they're not as effective as their synthetic counterparts, they have to be applied to the crops more often. Organic doesn't always mean pesticide free, just synthetic pesticide free. You'd have to know the practices on that particular farm to know what you're actually getting and that's often not on the label in the grocery store. Organic doesn't always guarantee safe, although it's a lot more likely.
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If you have Netflix you can watch Food Inc for lots of info. They don't appear to have King Corn on their instant list anymore, but you can get the dvd.

Basically two things have collided in our country (assuming you're in the US )

1) Corn has been "bred" and genetically engineered until it has almost no grain left in it (it isn't a vegetable like people imagine it to be--it is supposed to be a grain). It is now a sugar. Period. It has been bred to be a sugar source.

2) Government subsidies to corn growers has made corn cheaper to buy than it is to grow.

This means we have corn as sweetener in almost EVERYTHING. The list of hidden corn is even longer than the list of hidden gluten

I'm currently trying to tackle getting ALL corn out of our diet. I'm learning things about citric acid that leave me You can follow our journey at www.theluttonfamily.com

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im interested in this too..

i always always buy organic corn. and avoid all corn sweeteners..

but this thought that corn is inherently unhealthy? am i hearing that from people? or are they just assuming that all corn is screwed up with GMO?
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im interested in this too..

i always always buy organic corn. and avoid all corn sweeteners..

but this thought that corn is inherently unhealthy? am i hearing that from people? or are they just assuming that all corn is screwed up with GMO?
yes--you are hearing that from people
no--I'm not assuming anything about this corn or that
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It's still very easy to find and purchase the traditional corn varieties that have been neither naturally bred or genetically modified for higher sugar levels. Look for varieties marked 'SU'.

In increasing order of sugar content: sugary enhanced (SE), supersweet (SH2) and the most recent syergystic (SY) corn varieties are the ones I believe Crystal is referring to. Yes, they have been bred for higher sugar content, however the sugars in ALL corn varieties convert to starch after harvest, the traditional varieties fastest (within 30 minutes) and the SY varieties slowest. The higher the sugar content, the longer the corn stores and thus the more time the farmer has to get it to market in a fresh state. SE, SH2 and SY corn has all be hybridized through selection – none are transgenic. The genes that make the corn super sweet are recessive. Corn plants were bred over numerous generations until the recessive genes were stabilized. Hybridized corn that depends on recessive genes for it's sugar content must be grown in isolation for this reason; if it crosses with any other corn, the kernels revert to the dominant genes of the original plants.

I think it's grossly unfair to paint all corn with the same sweeping brush.

The problem is not with corn itself, but with the quantity of processed corn in the modern diet.

ETA: For example, an "organic" sweetener derived from corn would be unhealthy, even though it's organic. It's the processing that makes corn unhealthy.

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Default Re: Can we talk about CORN?

the problem I have is two-fold

1) because of the ABUNDANCE of corn in the modern diet and all products thereof, more and more people are finding themselves with sensitivities/allergies to corn--and it's almost impossible to find and avoid it all

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2) the body doesn't know the difference between types of corn and the allergy isn't type specific

So once you have the problem, it doesn't matter what kind you get, you probably won't be able to eat it.

"Organic" doesn't always mean all the things we want it to mean. And unless you know all the hidden names of corn AND make almost everything from scratch, you *are* getting the nasty corn products you're trying to avoid. Citric acid--in all sorts of "allergy safe" and alternative foods as well as everything mainstream . . . corn (and a by-product of making corn syrup)
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I didn't realize we were talking about allergies. Of course, anyone with an allergy would have to avoid any occurance of the offending food.
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Macky, I see you live in Canada. Perhaps the labeling there is different. Here in the US labeling and packaging is abysmal. We don't have that specific of information on much of anything, and ESPECIALLY not corn. Corn is the protected darling of the US.

Some of us DO paint corn with a sweeping broad brush - because we are ALLERGIC to corn. It doesn't matter what variety or how it's grown.

And I'm because everything I've heard from conventional and non-conventional sources over the past 5 years of research on the subject of corn has stated that corn itself (fresh, from the garden) is very difficult for the body to digest and remove nutrients from. It is hard to grow - it depletes the soil. It is a water hog. When you to come in to strongly state that it is an essential survival food, it makes me wonder where that information came from. It's one thing for a marshy culture to grow the ancient corn varieties much like rice is grown, but I have a hard time believing that ALL people can benefit from having this as a survival crop. Could you please point me in the direction of some good resources about that? I'd love to expand my knowledge on corn.
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Our eldest is allergic to apples, but I'm not going to go around telling people they're unhealthy, even though that's the angle I'm coming from.

It's already ten o'clock here and I have to get outside and actually get some work done on the garden before the day is gone. I will come back, though.
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I agree with this! Corn and beans were a staple of Native American diets long before Europeans came along.

There's nothing inherently wrong with corn, but the problem is that it's somewhat difficult to find corn that isn't a GMO and organic... but you CAN find it, you just have to look a little harder, and it's delicious too!

Also, it's a pretty popular myth (but it is a myth nonetheless) that "humans can't digest corn, so they just poop it out". It's only the outer casing of corn kernels that pass right through your digestive system. As for the rest of it, corn is a fairly nutritionally sound food. It's a good source of B-vitamins, magnesium, and folic acid (among other things I'm sure) and it's also got a lot of fiber in it, so it keeps you full-feeling for a while.

I think that maybe a lot of our "fear" (for lack of a better term) about corn is due to the fact that most corn isn't grown or used for the purpose of being a "unaltered veggie side dish". We eat a lot of corn, but it's not yummy grilled corn of the cob, it's things loaded with corn syrup, Doritos or other "corn chips", beef that's been fattened up on corn, etc... Corn isn't the problem, it's the way we use it. It's like potatoes. There's nothing wrong with potatoes, but the only way Americans ever seem to eat them is french fried or in chip form, and so we associate them as "junk food" when it's really not.

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I'm afraid to watch Food Inc I know I should, but I know I won't want to eat anything after that.

You know, I did watch Food Inc. I think it was pretty well done, but I do not think the documentary is above all repute nor the "end all be all" source for nutritional eating and statement of why we have the food culture that we do. It is not as in depth as people make it out to be. It touches lightly on a broad spectrum of topics rather than focusing in depth on a single issue. It's also highly one sided (although, granted, the film makers were declined interviews from the "other side" (executives/scientists from Monsanto for example) so it's not one-sided by choice). I think that, for what it's worth, it's a great introduction to the state of our modern food supply for someone who might not have much previous knowledge, but it is not a great reference source.

I think that if you're interested in the topic of corn farming, specifically, King of Corn is a much better documentary. However, there again, just like Food Inc., there's a lot of information that was left out in order for the film to make a more sensationalistic point, and thus be more "entertaining" for a broader audience. I guess I really just don't feel documentaries are a good source of comprehensive information. They have to be entertaining or no one will watch them, and they're not going to be so entertaining when they rationally explain the benefits and negatives of both sides of any given argument.
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this is a subject i'm very interested in - on both sides as a farmer and a consumer. ok i'm not a farmer but my dad is a conventional farmer. we raise grassfed beef and we don't really like dirt farming but it's a part of our life, kwim?

dad grows beans, lentils, wheat and canola mostly. I know that canola is mostly gmo and it kinda freaks me out about the herbicide resistance etc...but for the majority of crops grown in western canada, they aren't gmo. (Robin was right about differentiating between gmo and selective plant breeding - gmo is going inside the cells at a microscopic level and changin' things that shoulda-never-bin changed!) But corn IS mostly gmo.

Anyway. I don't know what I'm trying to say. I guess that (coming from a Traditional Foods Diet perspective) I agree with previous posters that said that corn isn't bad in itself, but the way it's being used is bad.

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This is a topic where my guiding principle comes into play I want what I put into my body to be as close as possible to the form God gave it to us! Whole foods, non-GMO, no chemicals, etc. Although I'm a fan of cooking most things first (some people with this approach eat only raw, I am not one)
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