Coming out: We're getting a puppy (PICS ::grin::) (Edit: MORE pics, post 8 :giggle) - Page 8

afternoonrain · 05-14-2013, 07:59 AM

Oh Mr.b looking so handsome!

The hardest part about discussing giant breed weight, especially in puppies and growth is that there is a LARGE number of people who feel that the pups need to bulk up quickly and should physically resemble the structure of a stout adult dog of said breed.

The pups from this litter are prone to be lankier than some saints because of variation in breed standard. ( ie, nose cannot be longer than head is wide, leaves room for variation in facial structure etc.) rough coated saints look scragglier and a lot of smooth coated resemble more mastif type dogs.

Having said that, I'm not happy with khaleesis body right now either, and she has more "meat" on her than MR. b. There were a couple other pups with a "body" that I felt happier with. Not HEAVIER necessarily or BIGGER.

JUst more filled out in rib/ haunches area, as 10 week old puppies for this breed should be. Saints certainly should er on the side of slim and slender especially the first year. But a 10 week old puppy should be more filled out and a little stout because they aren't old enough to go through that awkward growth phase yet.

Good, quality food to promote healthy but slow growth. Frequent small meals thoughout the day.

---------- Post added at 02:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:42 PM ----------

I should also mention how PLEASED I am with khaleesi. She is so very sweet. And smart. And gentle. And calm. Healthy, as in alert with clear eyes and nose and not lethargic. We sit when we want to be petted. ( thank you breeder.

) we come to our name. We do a lot of watching and maintain confidence and no skittishness, even when we are unsure.

As far as weight goes...Eh, I'm just gonna blame the pedigree dog food. Pretty much the only thing I disagreed with from the get go.

duckwithoneleg · 05-14-2013, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by afternoonrain

Oh Mr.b looking so handsome!

The hardest part about discussing giant breed weight, especially in puppies and growth is that there is a LARGE number of people who feel that the pups need to bulk up quickly and should physically resemble the structure of a stout adult dog of said breed.

The pups from this litter are prone to be lankier than some saints because of variation in breed standard. ( ie, nose cannot be longer than head is wide, leaves room for variation in facial structure etc.) rough coated saints look scragglier and a lot of smooth coated resemble more mastif type dogs.

Having said that, I'm not happy with khaleesis body right now either, and she has more "meat" on her than MR. b. There were a couple other pups with a "body" that I felt happier with. Not HEAVIER necessarily or BIGGER.

JUst more filled out in rib/ haunches area, as 10 week old puppies for this breed should be. Saints certainly should er on the side of slim and slender especially the first year. But a 10 week old puppy should be more filled out and a little stout because they aren't old enough to go through that awkward growth phase yet.

Good, quality food to promote healthy but slow growth. Frequent small meals thoughout the day.

---------- Post added at 02:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:42 PM ----------

I should also mention how PLEASED I am with khaleesi. She is so very sweet. And smart. And gentle. And calm. Healthy, as in alert with clear eyes and nose and not lethargic. We sit when we want to be petted. ( thank you breeder.

) we come to our name. We do a lot of watching and maintain confidence and no skittishness, even when we are unsure.

As far as weight goes...Eh, I'm just gonna blame the pedigree dog food. Pretty much the only thing I disagreed with from the get go.

And I second all of the temprament stuff for Mr Bultitude

. He is ALREADY even whining at me when he needs to go potty outside when he's not even in his crate

I am so astounded by how polite and well mannered he is.

Tandem mama · 05-14-2013, 10:01 AM

You make me want a puppy lol

Johns_Gal · 05-14-2013, 12:23 PM

Dude, the body shots? Yeah, skinny boy.

Satin Balls are amazing, though I always left the Total out and replaced with a bit of oats. Peanut butter is good too. If he'll eat it, full fat yogurt in small amounts can be good to keep their bellies calm.

I wouldn't even worm them at those weights, if his sister is like him. Not right now anyway. Tummy upset is not your friend.

And, FWIW my best pup ever came from a similar situation. He was fine and grew up strong, though at first I felt like I could hear his bones clacking he was so ribby. (Mama with nine huge puppies and broke owners who never expected a male dog to break their fence in order to knock her up

)

I bet in two weeks you'd never know.

duckwithoneleg · 05-14-2013, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johns_Gal

Dude, the body shots? Yeah, skinny boy.

Satin Balls are amazing, though I always left the Total out and replaced with a bit of oats. Peanut butter is good too. If he'll eat it, full fat yogurt in small amounts can be good to keep their bellies calm.

I wouldn't even worm them at those weights, if his sister is like him. Not right now anyway. Tummy upset is not your friend.

And, FWIW my best pup ever came from a similar situation. He was fine and grew up strong, though at first I felt like I could hear his bones clacking he was so ribby. (Mama with nine huge puppies and broke owners who never expected a male dog to break their fence in order to knock her up

)

I bet in two weeks you'd never know.

You are so encouraging!

Yeah they were wormed right before we got them. So there was that, too.

Tandem mama · 05-14-2013, 02:14 PM

When we wormed my pup, who was a super fatty when igot her,she got super scrawny for a bit. Then plumped up again

crunchymum · 05-15-2013, 08:04 AM

Oh man. If it weren't for the slobber...

I'd be tempted!

duckwithoneleg · 05-15-2013, 06:16 PM

Oh man, you guys... Looking at Saint bernard growth charts, and our puppies are supposed to be twice the size they currently are for their age. I'm having a hard time with it, to be honest. I hope they aren't (especially mine 'cause he is one of the smallest/boniest) permanently stunted. I will love him no matter what size he grows to, but I'm not gonna lie... I will be sad if he stops at like, aussie shepard size

.

Taking him out socializing is hard. People guess that he is a Saint Bernard mix or point to his paws and say "Hmmm,

.... those paws don't look big enough to be a saint bernard." I just stare back at them. I don't know what to say. I'm sorry?

... I met both of his parents and older siblings? I promise he's all saint?

Idk.

I think he is going to be fine... I just hope he grows.

Amber · 05-15-2013, 06:41 PM

He's going to be fine

Put down the growth charts, try not to obsess about his weight/size and just love on him. With adequate access to food and love he will grow just fine.

duckwithoneleg · 05-15-2013, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amber

He's going to be fine

Put down the growth charts, try not to obsess about his weight/size and just love on him. With adequate access to food and love he will grow just fine.

I'm a words of affirmation girl. Promise? I REALLY needed to hear that. And to stop looking at puppies on youtube that could swallow my puppy whole.

duckwithoneleg · 05-15-2013, 07:04 PM

This is our puppies' mama:

This is their dad:

And here's the obligatory puppy pic for the day

Mommainrwanda · 05-15-2013, 08:55 PM

Our Juba (while not a giant breed) was really undernourished as a puppy because of his rice sensitivity.

we had a hard time feeding him in Rwanda. He was six months old when we moved to the States and finally started feeding him well. And he's definitely full Ridgeback size now.

I think you've got this one. Mr. B is gonna be perfect.

Johns_Gal · 05-15-2013, 11:15 PM

Ditto MamaRwanda over there, only "Starving black lab puppy, who showed up at my house as nothing but skin and bones" and he grew fine.

And really, you can't listen to every opinion about your pup. People are silly. Add in some gangly awkwardness and forget it. (You try walking a very nicely put together, but half grown sheltie sometime.

)

Feed him and teach him and remember he's not supposed to be done growing for a couple years. He had a few weeks of less than great nutrition... you can fix that. In those four week photos he is a gorgeous fuzzball of baby fat. He got to nurse. He got those first basic puppy skills that make for good dogs. He just got pushed to the bottom for a short time, and now has a family who can devote more to his diet.

Amber · 05-16-2013, 12:06 AM

Before you know it you will be like me...complaining about the insane amount of food your giant puppy consumes and also cleaning up the giant land mines in the yard

BTW do you have any links for feeding giant breed dogs? I don't know how I overlooked researching that part...and I'm wondering if I need to switch Mayzie over to adult food at this point.

duckwithoneleg · 05-16-2013, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johns_Gal

Ditto MamaRwanda over there, only "Starving black lab puppy, who showed up at my house as nothing but skin and bones" and he grew fine.

And really, you can't listen to every opinion about your pup. People are silly. Add in some gangly awkwardness and forget it. (You try walking a very nicely put together, but half grown sheltie sometime.

)

Feed him and teach him and remember he's not supposed to be done growing for a couple years. He had a few weeks of less than great nutrition... you can fix that. In those four week photos he is a gorgeous fuzzball of baby fat. He got to nurse. He got those first basic puppy skills that make for good dogs. He just got pushed to the bottom for a short time, and now has a family who can devote more to his diet.

This is one post I will come back and read again and again

.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amber

Before you know it you will be like me...complaining about the insane amount of food your giant puppy consumes and also cleaning up the giant land mines in the yard

BTW do you have any links for feeding giant breed dogs? I don't know how I overlooked researching that part...and I'm wondering if I need to switch Mayzie over to adult food at this point.

I'm not a big link saver

... but I can try to go dig some up when the baby goes down... What kind of dog is she? I've always read that giant breeds aren't supposed to eat puppy chow at all. Just adult food only. So they won't grow too fast.

05-14-2013, 07:59 AM	#106
afternoonrain Climbing Rose Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,317	Re: Coming out: We're getting a puppy (PICS ::grin::) (Edit: MORE pics, post 8 :giggl Oh Mr.b looking so handsome! The hardest part about discussing giant breed weight, especially in puppies and growth is that there is a LARGE number of people who feel that the pups need to bulk up quickly and should physically resemble the structure of a stout adult dog of said breed. The pups from this litter are prone to be lankier than some saints because of variation in breed standard. ( ie, nose cannot be longer than head is wide, leaves room for variation in facial structure etc.) rough coated saints look scragglier and a lot of smooth coated resemble more mastif type dogs. Having said that, I'm not happy with khaleesis body right now either, and she has more "meat" on her than MR. b. There were a couple other pups with a "body" that I felt happier with. Not HEAVIER necessarily or BIGGER. JUst more filled out in rib/ haunches area, as 10 week old puppies for this breed should be. Saints certainly should er on the side of slim and slender especially the first year. But a 10 week old puppy should be more filled out and a little stout because they aren't old enough to go through that awkward growth phase yet. Good, quality food to promote healthy but slow growth. Frequent small meals thoughout the day. ---------- Post added at 02:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:42 PM ---------- I should also mention how PLEASED I am with khaleesi. She is so very sweet. And smart. And gentle. And calm. Healthy, as in alert with clear eyes and nose and not lethargic. We sit when we want to be petted. ( thank you breeder. ) we come to our name. We do a lot of watching and maintain confidence and no skittishness, even when we are unsure. As far as weight goes...Eh, I'm just gonna blame the pedigree dog food. Pretty much the only thing I disagreed with from the get go. __________________ Constantly typing as if I am but am not. Forgive my ramblings. I process through typing. That thing says I am an ENFP. It also says I am an ENFJ.

05-14-2013, 10:01 AM	#108
Tandem mama Rose Garden In my world everyone's a pony Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Where everyone eats rainbows and poops butterflies Posts: 11,743	Re: Coming out: We're getting a puppy (PICS ::grin::) (Edit: MORE pics, post 8 :giggl You make me want a puppy lol __________________ I'm Megan (ENFP, DYT Type 1) Married since 2007 to my Apple-geeky artist Don (INTJ) Mommy to Lydia (1/08) "Nature is really dirty" Charlotte (7/10) "me am not chawlotte me are batman" Introducing Nolan January 11, 2014

05-14-2013, 12:23 PM	#109
Johns_Gal Rose Garden Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 8,764	Re: Coming out: We're getting a puppy (PICS ::grin::) (Edit: MORE pics, post 8 :giggl Dude, the body shots? Yeah, skinny boy. Satin Balls are amazing, though I always left the Total out and replaced with a bit of oats. Peanut butter is good too. If he'll eat it, full fat yogurt in small amounts can be good to keep their bellies calm. I wouldn't even worm them at those weights, if his sister is like him. Not right now anyway. Tummy upset is not your friend. And, FWIW my best pup ever came from a similar situation. He was fine and grew up strong, though at first I felt like I could hear his bones clacking he was so ribby. (Mama with nine huge puppies and broke owners who never expected a male dog to break their fence in order to knock her up ) I bet in two weeks you'd never know. __________________ He is seven and she is days from turning two. I'm not sure how this happened.

05-14-2013, 02:14 PM	#111
Tandem mama Rose Garden In my world everyone's a pony Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Where everyone eats rainbows and poops butterflies Posts: 11,743	Re: Coming out: We're getting a puppy (PICS ::grin::) (Edit: MORE pics, post 8 :giggl When we wormed my pup, who was a super fatty when igot her,she got super scrawny for a bit. Then plumped up again __________________ I'm Megan (ENFP, DYT Type 1) Married since 2007 to my Apple-geeky artist Don (INTJ) Mommy to Lydia (1/08) "Nature is really dirty" Charlotte (7/10) "me am not chawlotte me are batman" Introducing Nolan January 11, 2014

05-15-2013, 08:04 AM	#112
crunchymum Rose Garden speak softly and carry a big coffee Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 34,610	Re: Coming out: We're getting a puppy (PICS ::grin::) (Edit: MORE pics, post 8 :giggl Oh man. If it weren't for the slobber... I'd be tempted! __________________ ~ jen wife to my first kiss mama to 13yo spreezy, 11yo jones, 5yo biggie, and our little greased lightning, 3yo ~ all born at home birth doula my waterbirth montage my etsy! "i did not want my children to love me because i had been an adequate mother, because i would never be one, this i already knew. i wanted my children to love me for the same reason i want my children themselves to be loved: because we are all irreducible, irreplaceable." -gina bria

05-15-2013, 06:16 PM	#113
duckwithoneleg Rose Garden "Be just who you're made to be, Poppa is so mighty pleased with thee." -Danielsons Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NC Posts: 6,091	Re: Coming out: We're getting a puppy (PICS ::grin::) (Edit: MORE pics, post 8 :giggl Oh man, you guys... Looking at Saint bernard growth charts, and our puppies are supposed to be twice the size they currently are for their age. I'm having a hard time with it, to be honest. I hope they aren't (especially mine 'cause he is one of the smallest/boniest) permanently stunted. I will love him no matter what size he grows to, but I'm not gonna lie... I will be sad if he stops at like, aussie shepard size . Taking him out socializing is hard. People guess that he is a Saint Bernard mix or point to his paws and say "Hmmm, .... those paws don't look big enough to be a saint bernard." I just stare back at them. I don't know what to say. I'm sorry? ... I met both of his parents and older siblings? I promise he's all saint? Idk. I think he is going to be fine... I just hope he grows. __________________ It is me and the hubbyman The toddler duck Welcoming all prayers for a sticky duckling this time At the end of time, I will kiss you all over your face.

05-15-2013, 06:41 PM	#114
Amber Rose Garden Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The rainy side of Washington. Posts: 18,232	Re: Coming out: We're getting a puppy (PICS ::grin::) (Edit: MORE pics, post 8 :giggl He's going to be fine Put down the growth charts, try not to obsess about his weight/size and just love on him. With adequate access to food and love he will grow just fine. __________________ Amber ISFJ Wife to my wonderful DH And keeper of the boys Big M (6/03) Forever ours Dec 2012 C (6/04), Little M (10/05) Forever ours Dec 2012 K (5/06) Missing our foster daughter Miss A

05-15-2013, 07:04 PM	#116
duckwithoneleg Rose Garden "Be just who you're made to be, Poppa is so mighty pleased with thee." -Danielsons Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NC Posts: 6,091	This is our puppies' mama: This is their dad: And here's the obligatory puppy pic for the day __________________ It is me and the hubbyman The toddler duck Welcoming all prayers for a sticky duckling this time At the end of time, I will kiss you all over your face.

05-15-2013, 08:55 PM	#117
Mommainrwanda Rose Trellis New country - same username Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: State-side Posts: 3,291	Re: Coming out: We're getting a puppy (PICS ::grin::) (Edit: MORE pics, post 8 :giggl Our Juba (while not a giant breed) was really undernourished as a puppy because of his rice sensitivity. we had a hard time feeding him in Rwanda. He was six months old when we moved to the States and finally started feeding him well. And he's definitely full Ridgeback size now. I think you've got this one. Mr. B is gonna be perfect. __________________ Mzungu Momma celebrating the rhythms of rich simplicity in individuals, art, nature and community by: -Encouraging wonder -Showing grace -Undercommitting -Believing in the restoration of all things The Urchin is capriciously 3 The Chiton is ~~an introvert~~ not an introvert, just T4 baby Adventure blog: Delving for a Rhapsody

05-15-2013, 11:15 PM	#118
Johns_Gal Rose Garden Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 8,764	Re: Coming out: We're getting a puppy (PICS ::grin::) (Edit: MORE pics, post 8 :giggl Ditto MamaRwanda over there, only "Starving black lab puppy, who showed up at my house as nothing but skin and bones" and he grew fine. And really, you can't listen to every opinion about your pup. People are silly. Add in some gangly awkwardness and forget it. (You try walking a very nicely put together, but half grown sheltie sometime. ) Feed him and teach him and remember he's not supposed to be done growing for a couple years. He had a few weeks of less than great nutrition... you can fix that. In those four week photos he is a gorgeous fuzzball of baby fat. He got to nurse. He got those first basic puppy skills that make for good dogs. He just got pushed to the bottom for a short time, and now has a family who can devote more to his diet. __________________ He is seven and she is days from turning two. I'm not sure how this happened.

05-16-2013, 12:06 AM	#119
Amber Rose Garden Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The rainy side of Washington. Posts: 18,232	Re: Coming out: We're getting a puppy (PICS ::grin::) (Edit: MORE pics, post 8 :giggl Before you know it you will be like me...complaining about the insane amount of food your giant puppy consumes and also cleaning up the giant land mines in the yard BTW do you have any links for feeding giant breed dogs? I don't know how I overlooked researching that part...and I'm wondering if I need to switch Mayzie over to adult food at this point. __________________ Amber ISFJ Wife to my wonderful DH And keeper of the boys Big M (6/03) Forever ours Dec 2012 C (6/04), Little M (10/05) Forever ours Dec 2012 K (5/06) Missing our foster daughter Miss A

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