Hand Sanitizer -- yea or nay?

illinoismommy · 11-05-2009, 06:17 PM

Does it help prevent spread of sickness?

I thought I had recently read an article that said it doesn't work very well and soap is a lot better. But DH says that he heard on the radio that they tested peoples hands after washing with soap and they had all kinds of bacteria on there.

Someone settle this for me.

Rabbit · 11-05-2009, 06:18 PM

Soap is still better, but when you can't get to the sink, hand sanitizer helps.

cindergretta · 11-05-2009, 06:18 PM

I use both.

I wash, then use sanitizer, then some lotion cuz my skin is *so* dry!

Rabbit · 11-05-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cindergretta

I use both.

I wash, then use sanitizer, then some lotion cuz my skin is *so* dry!

Quit using the sanitizer, and you might not need the lotion anymore.

Six Little Feet · 11-05-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cindergretta

I use both.

I wash, then use sanitizer, then some lotion cuz my skin is *so* dry!

I sanitize, then wash and then use lotion.

Serafine · 11-05-2009, 06:26 PM

Washing hands, when done correctly (which most people don't do)...the whole lather up, 15-30 seconds of FRICTION...not just barely rubbing the soap on...is more effective than hand sanitizer.

BUT, I think HS has its place...like when you are in a public place, and have to touch doors or use pens, etc. and don't have access to a sink.

Soliloquy · 11-05-2009, 06:45 PM

Hand sanitizer kills germs on non-porous surfaces which hands are not, obviously. On hands, it kills some germs but many of the viruses that cause colds and gi illnesses are not affected *at all* by hand sanitizer. It is drying which can cause tiny cracks in the skin, an open doorway for pathogens. Hand sanitizer was initially promoted for health care workers who wash their hands multiples times an hour anyway. If you google "hand sanitizer effectivness" and ignore the commercial sites that are selling it, you'll find lots of mainstream articles stating that it doesn't prevent infection. Anti-bac soaps don't either. Another thing to remember is w/ h/s you have dead pathogens on your skin--they don't get rinsed away. Some pathogens are just as toxic when dead--when they die they spill their cellular contents and can make you sick.

So, obviously I don't think it's worthwhile at all.

. I do like wipes to use on shopping carts during flu season--the cart is a non-porous surface and the wiping action will remove much of the crud that's on there.
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SamRose · 11-05-2009, 06:58 PM

Even in light of Lisa's post, I like having it on hand during this season since it is better than nothing, afaik, when we're in public places touching lots of things everyone touches. I use it to wipe stuff down, too, like the cart or a table.

Serafine · 11-05-2009, 07:06 PM

If the hand sanitizers main mechanism of action (which all are not) is ethanol, then I disagree with LisaM. Ethanol, by its very nature...and why it is used in aseptic cell culture labs on both porous and non-porous surfaces...lyses cell walls and viral coats(which kills bacteria and viruses) as it evaporates.

That being said...most of the lotion and newer brands of hand sanitizers out are not using ethanol as their main ingredient anymore, so I cannot support that mechanism of action...but what we have on hand for quick moments is ethanol gel...and it absolutely does work to kill germs (porous or non-porous surface).

kiloyd · 11-05-2009, 07:08 PM

I think proper hand washing is the best thing. But hand sanitizer is at least something when I'm out and no where near a sink.

Rabbit · 11-05-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by firefighterwife

If the hand sanitizers main mechanism of action (which all are not) is ethanol, then I disagree with LisaM. Ethanol, by its very nature...and why it is used in aseptic cell culture labs on both porous and non-porous surfaces...lyses cell walls and viral coats(which kills bacteria and viruses) as it evaporates.

For -some- cell types and virus, it does that. But not all. Which is how Simon wound up with c. diff. in the hospital. The only prevention for c. diff. transmission is soap and water handwashing. You have to rinse it off. You cannot kill it with hand sanitizer. The nurses at his hospital do not have convenient access to sinks, so they rely on hand sanitizer. The c. diff. bacterium forms a shell that makes it immune, in a way that fungi more commonly do. And attacking it does make it release toxins, which what makes it so incredibly toxic during/after a round of antibiotics.

Serafine · 11-06-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabbit

And attacking it does make it release toxins, which what makes it so incredibly toxic during/after a round of antibiotics.

yes, this is definitely an issue.

however, for those that are saying that hand sanitizer is bad...do you think it is better to just NOT wash for an hour or 2 if there is no sink/soap around...

or do you think that the fact that a hand sanitizer (especially ethanol based) is still better than nothing in those cases?

Ajani · 11-06-2009, 07:50 AM

I keep it on hand and we use it when we can't wash hands. Like after we've been shopping. The kids (especially our son) tend to rub their faces and pick their noses. I'd rather use sanitizer (alcohol based, not anti-bacterial) than nag them to keep their hands away from their faces the whole way home. I also use it after they grab a railaing or something while we're out.

Serafine · 11-06-2009, 08:31 AM

Exactly - Ajani.

I would say this:

1) Yes, hand washing CORRECTLY is that gold standard for preventing disease spread. Period.

2) Handwashing is done incorrectly and inconsistently by a large portion of the population.

3) handwashing is not available in all situations.

4) Because of points 2 and 3 - hand sanitizer (especially ethanol-based) is an excellent substitute for those situations. yes, there are a very small percentage of germs that are not completely wiped out by ethanol. yes, there will be a small amount of toxin released from some bacteria when they are lysed by the sanitizer. However, that is still WAY better than those germs entering the body, replicating, and THEN releasing MORE of the toxin when our body's defense systems kill them.

WanderingJuniper · 11-06-2009, 08:35 AM

Our preference is plain old soap, not anti-bacterial, and warm water. When that isn't an option like at the playground before snack time or while we are in the car after someone blows their nose we will use hand sanitizer.

11-05-2009, 06:17 PM	#1
illinoismommy Rose Garden Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 25,657	Hand Sanitizer -- yea or nay? Does it help prevent spread of sickness? I thought I had recently read an article that said it doesn't work very well and soap is a lot better. But DH says that he heard on the radio that they tested peoples hands after washing with soap and they had all kinds of bacteria on there. Someone settle this for me. __________________ Mommy to: Ds (9.5), Dd (7), Ds2 (6), and Ds3 (4.5).

11-05-2009, 06:18 PM	#2
Rabbit Deactivated You know how we say, "It works both ways!" Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In the Neighborhood Posts: 39,704	Re: Hand Sanitizer -- yea or nay? Soap is still better, but when you can't get to the sink, hand sanitizer helps.

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cindergretta Deactivated My miracle blessing who brings tears to my eyes! Join Date: May 2005 Location: In Constant Confusion Posts: 22,110	Re: Hand Sanitizer -- yea or nay? I use both. I wash, then use sanitizer, then some lotion cuz my skin is so dry!

11-05-2009, 06:26 PM	#6
Serafine Deactivated Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,444	Re: Hand Sanitizer -- yea or nay? Washing hands, when done correctly (which most people don't do)...the whole lather up, 15-30 seconds of FRICTION...not just barely rubbing the soap on...is more effective than hand sanitizer. BUT, I think HS has its place...like when you are in a public place, and have to touch doors or use pens, etc. and don't have access to a sink.

11-05-2009, 06:45 PM	#7
Soliloquy Administrator Why climb a mountain? Because it's there! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Selkirk Mountains Posts: 52,860	Re: Hand Sanitizer -- yea or nay? Hand sanitizer kills germs on non-porous surfaces which hands are not, obviously. On hands, it kills some germs but many of the viruses that cause colds and gi illnesses are not affected at all by hand sanitizer. It is drying which can cause tiny cracks in the skin, an open doorway for pathogens. Hand sanitizer was initially promoted for health care workers who wash their hands multiples times an hour anyway. If you google "hand sanitizer effectivness" and ignore the commercial sites that are selling it, you'll find lots of mainstream articles stating that it doesn't prevent infection. Anti-bac soaps don't either. Another thing to remember is w/ h/s you have dead pathogens on your skin--they don't get rinsed away. Some pathogens are just as toxic when dead--when they die they spill their cellular contents and can make you sick. So, obviously I don't think it's worthwhile at all. . I do like wipes to use on shopping carts during flu season--the cart is a non-porous surface and the wiping action will remove much of the crud that's on there. Posted via Mobile Device

11-05-2009, 06:58 PM	#8
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11-05-2009, 07:06 PM	#9
Serafine Deactivated Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,444	Re: Hand Sanitizer -- yea or nay? If the hand sanitizers main mechanism of action (which all are not) is ethanol, then I disagree with LisaM. Ethanol, by its very nature...and why it is used in aseptic cell culture labs on both porous and non-porous surfaces...lyses cell walls and viral coats(which kills bacteria and viruses) as it evaporates. That being said...most of the lotion and newer brands of hand sanitizers out are not using ethanol as their main ingredient anymore, so I cannot support that mechanism of action...but what we have on hand for quick moments is ethanol gel...and it absolutely does work to kill germs (porous or non-porous surface).

11-05-2009, 07:08 PM	#10
kiloyd Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 16,102	Re: Hand Sanitizer -- yea or nay? I think proper hand washing is the best thing. But hand sanitizer is at least something when I'm out and no where near a sink. __________________ k-i-loyd, not kill loyd ISFJ/P Katherine, married 8-9-97 ds1 21 (adding a dil in August!) dd1 18 dd2 15 ds2 10

11-06-2009, 07:50 AM	#13
Ajani Rose Trellis Learning what I'm called to believe Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Southern Ontario Posts: 3,153	Re: Hand Sanitizer -- yea or nay? I keep it on hand and we use it when we can't wash hands. Like after we've been shopping. The kids (especially our son) tend to rub their faces and pick their noses. I'd rather use sanitizer (alcohol based, not anti-bacterial) than nag them to keep their hands away from their faces the whole way home. I also use it after they grab a railaing or something while we're out. __________________ ISFP (Fi Se)- The Artist Married to my high school sweetheart (possible ISTJ) The Boy - 04 (ETJ) Little Miss - 07(IFP) *My Edible Journey* Come share food with me. ~ Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "I will try again tomorrow." ~

11-06-2009, 08:31 AM	#14
Serafine Deactivated Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,444	Re: Hand Sanitizer -- yea or nay? Exactly - Ajani. I would say this: 1) Yes, hand washing CORRECTLY is that gold standard for preventing disease spread. Period. 2) Handwashing is done incorrectly and inconsistently by a large portion of the population. 3) handwashing is not available in all situations. 4) Because of points 2 and 3 - hand sanitizer (especially ethanol-based) is an excellent substitute for those situations. yes, there are a very small percentage of germs that are not completely wiped out by ethanol. yes, there will be a small amount of toxin released from some bacteria when they are lysed by the sanitizer. However, that is still WAY better than those germs entering the body, replicating, and THEN releasing MORE of the toxin when our body's defense systems kill them.

11-06-2009, 08:35 AM	#15
WanderingJuniper Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,819	Re: Hand Sanitizer -- yea or nay? Our preference is plain old soap, not anti-bacterial, and warm water. When that isn't an option like at the playground before snack time or while we are in the car after someone blows their nose we will use hand sanitizer.

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