That Dobson quote about the dog is in post 13 - Page 2

deena · 05-17-2011, 05:57 AM

gpsings, I think it's kind of cool that you feel so icky after reading bits of the book. Back when I first read them I hadn't heard about GCM or GBD so I didn't think anything of it. It would be fascinating to read it again from a different perspective. Isn't it amazing how perspectives change when you've been enlightened?

mathmaticalessymamma, so true!

I still need: the quote from p. 125-130 of The New Strong Willed Child, the article that recommends hitting a toddler who hits or the toddler's "hitting will persist or even escalate”.

Peridot · 05-17-2011, 09:31 AM

I have it handy and will look

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Its on p 127 under argument 2

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Ugh.

Quote:

ARGUMENT 2: Physical Punishment establishes the moral righteousness of hitting other persons who do something that is wrong.

COUNTERPOINT: The "spanking teaches hitting" belief has gained in popularity over the past decade but is ot supported by objective evidence. A distinction must be made between abusive hitting and nonabusive spanking. a child's ability to discriminate hitting from disciplinary spanking depends largely upon the parent's attitude toward spanking and the parent's procedure for spanking. There is no evidence in the medical literature that a mild spank on the buttocks of a disobedient child by a loving parent teaches the child agressive behavior.

The critical issue is how spanking (or, in fact, any punishment) is used, more so than whether it was used.
--The New Strong-Willed Child

May I ask what you are using this for? I feel an urgent need to blog coming on, but I dont' want to steal anyone's thunder.

There's sooo much wrong with this. It needs addressed.

deena · 05-17-2011, 09:36 AM

Blog away, my friend!

I'm writing a parenting book called A Parenting Manual for the Imperfect. I'm planning on uploading it to Kindle in a week or two. I'll have hard copies published in a few months and would be happy to send it to you all since you've been so helpful.

Peridot · 05-17-2011, 09:39 AM

Thank you!

gpsings · 05-17-2011, 09:41 AM

NOTE TO SELF: Get a kindle.

Yeah, flipping through excerpts from the book is a skin crawling feeling now. I can remember reading it before and thinking, oh yeah, that makes so much sense! But now, it makes me want to cry. How misleading that charming man can be!

solatido · 05-17-2011, 11:01 AM

Yes, exactly. I thought he was pretty smart, but now I just think the man is an idiot! Getting into a snarling fight with a dog, waiting to go in to his infant while she is getting her breath b/w cries so she won't learn that they respond to crying? I used to respect him before actually having children.

wallflowermama · 05-17-2011, 11:07 AM

Yuck...

Quiteria · 05-17-2011, 12:02 PM

you can download a free kindle reader for the computer...

Can't wait!

gpsings · 05-17-2011, 12:23 PM

just now got it. Thanks for the tip! Still want a kindle, though.

joysworld · 05-17-2011, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deena

gpsings, I think it's kind of cool that you feel so icky after reading bits of the book. Back when I first read them I hadn't heard about GCM or GBD so I didn't think anything of it. It would be fascinating to read it again from a different perspective. Isn't it amazing how perspectives change when you've been enlightened?

mathmaticalessymamma, so true!

I still need: the quote from p. 125-130 of The New Strong Willed Child, the article that recommends hitting a toddler who hits or the toddler's "hitting will persist or even escalate”.

I had the same experience. I've read both books, and didn't even think anything of his story, and actually remember chuckling at the mental image that he portrayed with his dog. Now, I have no idea why I find it funny, and have no idea why I didn't find it disturbing, as I do now

TestifyToLove · 05-24-2011, 06:36 AM

I have both books in the bookshelf if you need more help. My mother was a BIG Dobson fan

I keep them for reference and because they aren't quite bad enough to burn them (did that with Ezzo, Pearl and Tripp, ftr) but I definitely don't want to donate them and let someone else get hold of them. So, there they sit 12 years later.

deena · 05-24-2011, 06:41 AM

Thanks TTL. I'm good for now.

Dobson was pretty big in our house growing up too.

mrsd · 05-24-2011, 02:54 PM

I don't have either book, but wanted to wish you all the best on your book. We need more writers like you!

deena · 05-24-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsd

I don't have either book, but wanted to wish you all the best on your book. We need more writers like you!

blushing . Thanks

jandjmommy · 05-25-2011, 10:46 PM

Did you get what you were looking for?
I'm 99% sure the thing with him beating the dog about staying in the dog bed and comparing it (without really spelling it out) to how you have to beat down a child to show who is boss is in Strong Willed Child, since that's the only one I've read thoroughly.
I think that's the one with the intentionally extremely painful shoulder pinch advice too.

05-17-2011, 05:57 AM	#16
deena Rose Garden Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 12,314	Re: Do u own The New Strong Willed Childor Dare to Discipline and want to do me a fav gpsings, I think it's kind of cool that you feel so icky after reading bits of the book. Back when I first read them I hadn't heard about GCM or GBD so I didn't think anything of it. It would be fascinating to read it again from a different perspective. Isn't it amazing how perspectives change when you've been enlightened? mathmaticalessymamma, so true! I still need: the quote from p. 125-130 of The New Strong Willed Child, the article that recommends hitting a toddler who hits or the toddler's "hitting will persist or even escalate”. __________________ My kiddos 26, 23, 19, 15, 12, 8, 2, <1

05-17-2011, 09:36 AM	#18
deena Rose Garden Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 12,314	Re: Do u own The New Strong Willed Childor Dare to Discipline and want to do me a fav Blog away, my friend! I'm writing a parenting book called A Parenting Manual for the Imperfect. I'm planning on uploading it to Kindle in a week or two. I'll have hard copies published in a few months and would be happy to send it to you all since you've been so helpful. __________________ My kiddos 26, 23, 19, 15, 12, 8, 2, <1

05-17-2011, 09:39 AM	#19
Peridot Rose Garden I stand before you, DeFrocked!! Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Qontinuum Posts: 11,537	Re: Do u own The New Strong Willed Childor Dare to Discipline and want to do me a fav Thank you! __________________ This is me- and them- ds 'Maximus'- 7.5 yrs, and ds 'Minimus'- 5 yrs. "A normal, imperfect, LUMPEN human being!!" Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. and yet, one day Love himself barged into the Temple with a bullwhip and declared enough was enough. I will testify to Love.

05-17-2011, 09:41 AM	#20
gpsings Rose Garden ORANGE you glad I made a new avatar? :D Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4,084	Re: Do u own The New Strong Willed Childor Dare to Discipline and want to do me a fav NOTE TO SELF: Get a kindle. Yeah, flipping through excerpts from the book is a skin crawling feeling now. I can remember reading it before and thinking, oh yeah, that makes so much sense! But now, it makes me want to cry. How misleading that charming man can be! __________________ Gretchen ENTP Wife of Kevin Blessed AP, Homeschooling mama to: Aneliese age 13, Breena age 10, and Caden age 7

05-17-2011, 11:01 AM	#21
solatido Rose Trellis Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3,272	Re: Do u own The New Strong Willed Childor Dare to Discipline and want to do me a fav Yes, exactly. I thought he was pretty smart, but now I just think the man is an idiot! Getting into a snarling fight with a dog, waiting to go in to his infant while she is getting her breath b/w cries so she won't learn that they respond to crying? I used to respect him before actually having children. __________________ Harmoniously married since 2006 to my wonderful DH SAHM to T, born 7/09, H, born 5/12, J, born 9/14, and V, born 5/17

05-17-2011, 11:07 AM	#22
wallflowermama Rose Bouquet Join Date: May 2011 Location: LA, CA Posts: 506	Re: Do u own The New Strong Willed Childor Dare to Discipline and want to do me a fav Yuck... __________________ INxJ Type 4/2 Wife to DH since 2003 Homeschooling Mama to Munchkin #1 (M) - Sept/05, and Munchkin #2 (A) - Nov/10

05-17-2011, 12:02 PM	#23
Quiteria Rose Garden Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 23,483	Re: Do u own The New Strong Willed Childor Dare to Discipline and want to do me a fav you can download a free kindle reader for the computer... Can't wait! __________________ Homeschooling mama to five: a young adult (graduated!), two high schoolers, a big kid, and a kindergartner And yes, they've all aged overnight since the last time you read my out-of-date sigg.

05-17-2011, 12:23 PM	#24
gpsings Rose Garden ORANGE you glad I made a new avatar? :D Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 4,084	Re: Do u own The New Strong Willed Childor Dare to Discipline and want to do me a fav just now got it. Thanks for the tip! Still want a kindle, though. __________________ Gretchen ENTP Wife of Kevin Blessed AP, Homeschooling mama to: Aneliese age 13, Breena age 10, and Caden age 7

05-24-2011, 06:36 AM	#26
TestifyToLove Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 22,171	Re: Do u own The New Strong Willed Childor Dare to Discipline and want to do me a fav I have both books in the bookshelf if you need more help. My mother was a BIG Dobson fan I keep them for reference and because they aren't quite bad enough to burn them (did that with Ezzo, Pearl and Tripp, ftr) but I definitely don't want to donate them and let someone else get hold of them. So, there they sit 12 years later.

05-24-2011, 06:41 AM	#27
deena Rose Garden Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 12,314	Re: Do u own The New Strong Willed Childor Dare to Discipline and want to do me a fav Thanks TTL. I'm good for now. Dobson was pretty big in our house growing up too. __________________ My kiddos 26, 23, 19, 15, 12, 8, 2, <1

05-24-2011, 02:54 PM	#28
mrsd Rose Trellis Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,175	Re: Do u own The New Strong Willed Childor Dare to Discipline and want to do me a fav I don't have either book, but wanted to wish you all the best on your book. We need more writers like you!

05-25-2011, 10:46 PM	#30
jandjmommy Rose Bouquet Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 750	Re: Do u own The New Strong Willed Childor Dare to Discipline and want to do me a fav Did you get what you were looking for? I'm 99% sure the thing with him beating the dog about staying in the dog bed and comparing it (without really spelling it out) to how you have to beat down a child to show who is boss is in Strong Willed Child, since that's the only one I've read thoroughly. I think that's the one with the intentionally extremely painful shoulder pinch advice too.

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