psychological torture as 'creative correction' - Page 2

WanderingJuniper · 07-21-2007, 05:56 AM

This is one of the few books that I wanted years ago but didn't have money for. I'm glad I didn't now. Thankfully the only bad idea I got from her was the Tabasco thing and that didn't work. My daughter LOVES spicy hot foods! She puts hot sauce on everything.

All that other stuff seems like total human rights violations.

MarynMunchkins · 07-21-2007, 06:20 AM

The book is awful. Just sickening.

And it's made worse that *so* many people see it as a better alternative to spanking.

Zooey · 07-22-2007, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MarynMunchkins

The book is awful. Just sickening.

And it's made worse that *so* many people see it as a better alternative to spanking.

Wonder Woman · 07-22-2007, 09:46 PM

that's a really interesting correlation

bliss · 08-02-2007, 11:45 AM

GIRLS I AM SO EXCITED!!! I was at the park with the lady in charge of our mother's library at church, and I was explaining that I might not be participating in the mother's group next year, partially because of the issues I have had with some of the books in the library (Sheparding, and Creative Correction). I had already spoken with her about CC, but reiterated my original points, and added Atarah's reasoning from this post, and she agreed to remove it from the library!!! Thank you Atarah for presenting your thought here so that I could share it and have this great result.

08-02-2007, 12:45 PM

for speaking up about it to the 'lady in charge'. That is exciting to have it removed.

I knew that training would come in handy for something......

euromom · 08-03-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bliss

GIRLS I AM SO EXCITED!!! I was at the park with the lady in charge of our mother's library at church, and I was explaining that I might not be participating in the mother's group next year, partially because of the issues I have had with some of the books in the library (Sheparding, and Creative Correction). I had already spoken with her about CC, but reiterated my original points, and added Atarah's reasoning from this post, and she agreed to remove it from the library!!! Thank you Atarah for presenting your thought here so that I could share it and have this great result.

Hermana Linda · 03-06-2011, 03:30 PM

rjy9343 · 03-07-2011, 07:06 AM

I believe the op, so don't misunderstand me when I ask for any sort of documentation to back up what you have said. I ask because I have thought that some these things are forbidden by the Geneva Convention, but have no idea where to even start to look for that kind of information. I am already catching some grief for the way I parent and do not expect that to change any time soon. I would like to be able to say look at such and such and tell if you see any parallels or that is not allowed for enemy combatants, why on earth is it okay for kids?

DoulaClara · 03-07-2011, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rjy9343

I believe the op, so don't misunderstand me when I ask for any sort of documentation to back up what you have said. I ask because I have thought that some these things are forbidden by the Geneva Convention, but have no idea where to even start to look for that kind of information. I am already catching some grief for the way I parent and do not expect that to change any time soon. I would like to be able to say look at such and such and tell if you see any parallels or that is not allowed for enemy combatants, why on earth is it okay for kids?

Not all countries abide by the Geneva Convention. Atarah's training wasn't so that they knew what to do with their POW's, it was to prepare for what might be done to them if they were captured. Especially in the ME, when you may be captured by any number of different factions, not necessarily gov't run. Make sense? I mean, I could ask my little brother if official documentation exists to prove that this is how they train troops, but I get the feeling it wouldn't be appropriate for him to link me to official gov't docs.

03-07-2011, 08:24 AM

I'm sure some of it is prohibited by Geneva convention. But like Clara mentioned, it's not about what the U.S. does to it's prisoners. It's about training our military to be prepared for what might happen to them if they are captured by others.

The training, BTW, is all 'classified', but I tried to be vague enough so as to not 'share' stuff I shouldn't.

And things may have changed in the interim. This was 20 years ago.

But yes, that someone would encourage parents to treat a child in a manner that could be considered an 'international war crime' in certain contexts; that is appalling.

rjy9343 · 03-07-2011, 08:37 AM

I know not all countries abide by the Geneva Convention, (intrestingly, the ones that do abide by it for the most part rarely go to war). I did not think about it being classified

, so maybe my great idea is not as good as I hoped. But all the same, there has to be something that I could find. Maybe there are some human rights groups that would have something I could use.

I know I am one person and I cannot combat all the evil that passes for Christian parenting, but I want to make as many cracks in it as possible and that seems like a great place to start. (Not discounting raising my own kids, just thinking that the shock value would be good for those that would disagree).

newday · 03-08-2011, 10:01 PM

Thank you for sharing that perspective.

Maggirayne · 03-18-2011, 07:15 PM

I remember Dave Roever wrote about some of the training they did in Welcome Home, Davey.

deena · 03-29-2011, 10:06 PM

So... um... Atarah.

Have you read the whole book yet? I'm dying to hear your full, revised thoughts.

07-21-2007, 05:56 AM	#16
WanderingJuniper Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,819	Re: psychological torture as 'creative correction' This is one of the few books that I wanted years ago but didn't have money for. I'm glad I didn't now. Thankfully the only bad idea I got from her was the Tabasco thing and that didn't work. My daughter LOVES spicy hot foods! She puts hot sauce on everything. All that other stuff seems like total human rights violations.

07-21-2007, 06:20 AM	#17
MarynMunchkins Deactivated Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 38,127	Re: psychological torture as 'creative correction' The book is awful. Just sickening. And it's made worse that so many people see it as a better alternative to spanking.

07-22-2007, 09:46 PM	#19
Wonder Woman Deactivated Yep. I'm a 3. Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 19,140	Re: psychological torture as 'creative correction' that's a really interesting correlation

08-02-2007, 11:45 AM	#20
bliss Rose Garden NEUROSPICY! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Other worlds than these Posts: 13,430	Re: psychological torture as 'creative correction' GIRLS I AM SO EXCITED!!! I was at the park with the lady in charge of our mother's library at church, and I was explaining that I might not be participating in the mother's group next year, partially because of the issues I have had with some of the books in the library (Sheparding, and Creative Correction). I had already spoken with her about CC, but reiterated my original points, and added Atarah's reasoning from this post, and she agreed to remove it from the library!!! Thank you Atarah for presenting your thought here so that I could share it and have this great result. __________________ Me, The Surveyor, The Truck Driver, The Landscaper, The SAHM, The Grocery Manager, The Gamer, The Gardener, The Home Improvement Manager, and The Grandkids

08-02-2007, 12:45 PM	#21
Atarah Guest Posts: n/a	Re: psychological torture as 'creative correction' for speaking up about it to the 'lady in charge'. That is exciting to have it removed. I knew that training would come in handy for something......

03-06-2011, 03:30 PM	#23
Hermana Linda Administrator "air-mannah Leen-dah" it means Sister Linda in Spanish Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 51,848	Re: psychological torture as 'creative correction' __________________ My pages: Why Not Train A Child? and the FB Page as well as @WhyNotTrain on Twitter Read about how my husband was Pulled From The River By God

03-07-2011, 07:06 AM	#24
rjy9343 Rose Garden Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 10,090	Re: psychological torture as 'creative correction' I believe the op, so don't misunderstand me when I ask for any sort of documentation to back up what you have said. I ask because I have thought that some these things are forbidden by the Geneva Convention, but have no idea where to even start to look for that kind of information. I am already catching some grief for the way I parent and do not expect that to change any time soon. I would like to be able to say look at such and such and tell if you see any parallels or that is not allowed for enemy combatants, why on earth is it okay for kids? __________________ Rita s IstJ Wife to my brilliant geek James iNtJ since 4/08 Mom to our angel boy Jay 5/08 our quirky miracle DD Ivy 6/10 mellow miracle DS Jacob 7/15 Often Please forgive my frequent typos Standing firmly on Team Lioness!!! Roar!!! I am ready for people to know I am a GCM find me on Facebook

03-07-2011, 08:24 AM	#26
Atarah Guest Posts: n/a	Re: psychological torture as 'creative correction' I'm sure some of it is prohibited by Geneva convention. But like Clara mentioned, it's not about what the U.S. does to it's prisoners. It's about training our military to be prepared for what might happen to them if they are captured by others. The training, BTW, is all 'classified', but I tried to be vague enough so as to not 'share' stuff I shouldn't. And things may have changed in the interim. This was 20 years ago. But yes, that someone would encourage parents to treat a child in a manner that could be considered an 'international war crime' in certain contexts; that is appalling.

03-07-2011, 08:37 AM	#27
rjy9343 Rose Garden Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 10,090	Re: psychological torture as 'creative correction' I know not all countries abide by the Geneva Convention, (intrestingly, the ones that do abide by it for the most part rarely go to war). I did not think about it being classified , so maybe my great idea is not as good as I hoped. But all the same, there has to be something that I could find. Maybe there are some human rights groups that would have something I could use. I know I am one person and I cannot combat all the evil that passes for Christian parenting, but I want to make as many cracks in it as possible and that seems like a great place to start. (Not discounting raising my own kids, just thinking that the shock value would be good for those that would disagree). __________________ Rita s IstJ Wife to my brilliant geek James iNtJ since 4/08 Mom to our angel boy Jay 5/08 our quirky miracle DD Ivy 6/10 mellow miracle DS Jacob 7/15 Often Please forgive my frequent typos Standing firmly on Team Lioness!!! Roar!!! I am ready for people to know I am a GCM find me on Facebook

03-08-2011, 10:01 PM	#28
newday Deactivated Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,249	Re: psychological torture as 'creative correction' Thank you for sharing that perspective.

03-18-2011, 07:15 PM	#29
Maggirayne Rose Garden Standing for gentleness and honesty Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Looking for Hope Posts: 12,027	Re: psychological torture as 'creative correction' I remember Dave Roever wrote about some of the training they did in Welcome Home, Davey. __________________ Maggi, Tw irler of the Umbrella of Silliness Mama to two sweet littles and 3 angels 12/4/11 10/7/13 12/8/13 Grace is not a destination, it's a journey. I first learned to show grace to my child that was not shown to me, then I learned to accept it for myself, and only recently have I been able to have grace for others more. ~Sweetpeasmommy A

03-29-2011, 10:06 PM	#30
deena Rose Garden Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 12,314	Re: psychological torture as 'creative correction' So... um... Atarah. Have you read the whole book yet? I'm dying to hear your full, revised thoughts. __________________ My kiddos 26, 23, 19, 15, 12, 8, 2, <1

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