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02-16-2008, 09:58 AM | #91 | |
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Re: Spin off: Home school vs. public school at home
This is interesting to me because if PS fails us our back up plan is a VCS. Good friends of our have had a wonderful positive experience with it.
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02-16-2008, 12:02 PM | #92 |
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Re: Spin off: Home school vs. public school at home
I just wanted to also say that we are in our third year in a VA and it has been an awesome experience. I can't speak for all states, but in CA I have come to see that they are extremely flexible if the curriculum doesn't work for you (you just have to talk to somebody about it and not assume there are no choices). In fact, a dear friend of mine has a fourth grader in our VA who is struggling...she loves writing and illustrating mini books though, so she made a deal with her master teacher to write and illustrate 4 books a week and that's it! Also, the history curriculum hasn't been a fit for her other daughter, so the teacher told her to just go to the library and find books on the subject, and as long as she got the information and understood it, it was fine. She loves the other curriculum and support, so she continues to do the VA. How is this different than choosing another packaged curriculum? My girlfriend who uses Sunshine said that our books for literature are almost identical. I chose K12 because I love it and it's working great for our family. When something isn't working for us, I do something different as long as we get the end result of understanding about the subject. Why does that make me not a homeschooler in your eyes? We also include Bible and character curriculum, but for our core subjects I've chosen K12 and happen to get it free through the VA. I think if I couldn't do the VA I'd still pay for it because I love it. I think you have the wrong idea about the choices and flexibility that parents have for our children in a VA.
And FWIW, I have experienced a lot of predjudice by Christians for doing a VA, and truly I believe I have the same heart that you do in the schooling choices I make for my kids. I finally found a support group where I am loved and accepted, but there a A LOT that forbid me from being a member. Please be careful in your assumptions because you really do come off as extremely legalistic, "better than," that we aren't making the best choice for our children, and very unaccepting. Even though you you say VA families need the same support, by saying that we are not homeschoolers it makes me feel very unsupported and not part of your club. I know that's not the intent here so don't get me wrong, but it really is how it makes us feel.
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02-16-2008, 12:43 PM | #93 |
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Re: Spin off: Home school vs. public school at home
For what it's worth, I'm not really a homeschooler. In my state, you either have to be a certified teacher to teach at the high school level (the only legal way to homeschool a high schooler), or be granted a waiver by the public school system that allows you to homeschool without a teaching certificate (like they would ever grant such a privilege! That option is extremely rare), or you have to enroll in an umbrella school and be considered an employee of that school teaching your child at a remote campus. As far as the government is concerned, my student is enrolled in a private school, although my son has never set foot in that school because it's eight hours away. It's sad because anything he achieves doesn't go down in the records as being achieved by a homeschooler, but as a private school student.
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02-16-2008, 03:57 PM | #94 | |
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I'm not saying anyone on this board said this, but nobody in my homeschool circle (co-op, support groups, etc.) sees schooling at home via virtual academy as inferior to their homeschooling which isn't connected to the public school. The issue isn't about homeschoolers feeling offended by how others school at home using the public school's materials, plan, reporting to the school, etc. The issue is the real fear that this new type of homeschooling blurs the lines...and the laws of homeschooling as it was fought for by the homeschooling pioneers. It re-defines what constitutes homeschooling. I think that the people best to explain this are the ones who have been in the "trenches" of homeschooling for many years or were homeschooling during a time when they had to fight for homeschooling legislation. cindi |
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02-17-2008, 07:10 PM | #95 | |
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Re: Spin off: Home school vs. public school at home
I think this issue is one of 'degrees of independence' - Public schoolers depend on the sytem to choose the curriculum and impliment it. VSers depend on the system to choose the curriculum and they are responsible for 'making it happen'. Home schoolers both make the curriculum decisions and impliment them. The governmental slippery slope, from my perspective, is that if we include VSer in the category of 'HSer' then the goverment can say 'well, we've always been involved with dictating homeschool curriculum (as opposed to 'you must cover math, reading,....), we are simply taking it to the next step'. I don't think anyone is making a value judgement about VSing, but I dont' want the government telling me I can't use BJU materials about as much as I don't want BJU telling me I have to.
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02-17-2008, 07:34 PM | #96 | ||
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02-17-2008, 07:42 PM | #97 | |
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Still I am ok with people wanting to make a difference betweeen what I do and independent HS. I take govt money, and as a result have to keep to a traditional school year and - if I stay with it - have my kids take the test they have at various grade levels. So while I think on one had there needs to be inclusion for VS and chater parents on a practical personal level, and while I think one needs to not judge the decisions of other parents, I do believe a distiction needs to be drawn. I WANT there to be more VS and Charters because I hope it will diverify the typical brick and mortar PS model. I hope it will allow those who for whatever reason cannot or will not independantly HS to be in more control over their child's education. But at the same time it does need to be defined as different than the tradional HS movement.
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02-17-2008, 09:52 PM | #98 |
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Re: Spin off: Home school vs. public school at home
I pm'd this to Terri when the board was locked and I was frustrated
There are birth options. Hospital--many have a *good* experience, some would say their experience is great, far too many end in C-section and there is a lot of debate over how many are actually necessary. Induction pushes for birth before mother and baby are ready, doctors control birth, mother is part of the system. Birth Center--designed to be as close to home environment as possible but with the benefits of the hospital if needed. Many women *feel* safer, but are under strict supervision because of the liability of the birth center and staff if things don't go "on schedule". Homebirth--in a planned homebirth with or without a midwife there is absolute and total control of the birth in the hands of the mother. All rights and responsibilities fall on her shoulders and it is up to her to surround herself with support that will enable her to be successful. A woman who gives birth before she gets to the hospital didn't have a "homebirth"; a woman who gives birth in a hospital obviously didn't have a homebirth, and a woman who had a birth at a birth center, even if it's wonderful, even if it's "just like being at home"--did NOT have a homebirth. It doesn't make her birth "wrong", "less than", or other than what it should have been, but it isn't a homebirth To me this is the same. You cannot define something simply by what it isn't, but what it isn't is part of what it is. VS is an alternative to the traditional public schools and I think it's great that this is out there Just like I think birth centers are a wonderful alternative to a routine hospital birth. But while VS is home, it isn't homeschool.
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02-18-2008, 04:46 AM | #99 |
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Re: Spin off: Home school vs. public school at home
I don't know. I agree that a hospital birth is not a home birth. I agree that a birth center birth isn't a home birth. But to me if a baby is born at home no matter what the intentions are of the parents it's a home birth because they were at home when the baby was born. If the baby was born in the car then it was a car birth. If the baby was born in a bathroom then it was a bathroom birth.
If a child is taught at home they are home schooled. They are being taught at home through out the normal school day by the parent not a tutor. Yes they are using a CS or VS and do not have the freedoms that the rest of us have and love but still they are being educated at home in their place of dwelling and residence and their parents are teaching them. Maybe I am just being very dense but to me that is being schooled at home therefore home schooled. :/ Just like a baby born at home no matter what the parents' plans where is a home birth because they were in their home when the baby was born.
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02-18-2008, 04:58 AM | #100 |
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Re: Spin off: Home school vs. public school at home
You know, it just occured to me that I should explain my thought process a bit more clearly in a homebirth you have people doing it differently and using different levels of medical help. You have the unassisted birthers which would be like those who unschool, then you have the ones that use a lay midwife which are like those that homeschool using curriculum, then you have the ones that use CNM which would be those that us the VS and CS.
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02-18-2008, 06:26 AM | #101 |
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Re: Spin off: Home school vs. public school at home
I just had to laugh when I read this thread because I REALLY don't fit under any definition!!
I teach my 7yo his grade 2 curriculum, not at home, but at the kindergarten where I also teach my 4yo and 3 children from a Children's Home. So I'm not schooling at home... I'm not doing public school.. I'm not in a private school, unless a class of one qualifies... hmmm! I'll have to create my own category!! |
02-18-2008, 06:53 AM | #102 |
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Re: Spin off: Home school vs. public school at home
As I've said before, I'm thinking hard about stepping out of the K12 VA and into an IDEA school. It sounds a lot like the school Heather Micaela is describing, essentially a sort of voucher for me to use on some curricula (I'll buy some Sonlight materials on my own because that isn't covered). I am choosing the curriculum completely. I am completely in charge of what she learns. I make her learning plan for the year. I implement it. But the state provides some of the funding. It's great for our family right now.
That being said, I don't want to do anything that jeopardizes homeschooling rights. Were we in a different financial situation right now, I might consider real homeschooling. I don't know. I certainly have a huge amount of respect for families I know who strictly homeschool, and 20 years down the road, I would feel terrible if I knew I did something to keep my grandkids from being homeschooled. I've tried googling and can't come up with information to this question. Are there currently any states who have had VCSs come in, and then homeschool rights changed (or there is legislation in the works to change them)? |
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02-18-2008, 08:37 AM | #104 | ||
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Re: Spin off: Home school vs. public school at home
Use the search terms Homeschool Opposition to Virtual Charter Schools and you'll be able to find some of the reasoning you're looking for Blue Savannah.
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Until 22 years ago homeschooling was illegal in this state and many others. Don't think for a second that its accepted enough that we can afford to relax and believe the option will always be available to us. The NEA is vehemently opposed to homeshooling in any form, including the virtual charters...and they are a powerful large political body. When homeschoolers buy into the use of public money and submit to the demands of public school "authority" we weaken our political position and that political position is what keeps us able to do this in the first place. Alternative school choices should be available to all. Whatever school choice suits an individual family should be there for their use. But calling these Alternatives something other than what they are dilutes the political strength of the push required to keep independent homeschooling legal in all states. |
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02-18-2008, 08:50 AM | #105 | |
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As for birthing at home--it's not a "homebirth"--again, the word is NOT about location, it's about philosophical intent. As far as the hospital is concerned a birth that didn't make it to the hospital where it was intended to be had is a "failed hospital birth". My cousin, for example, didn't have a "planned gas station birth" Whether UC (which, yes, my mind went to the far reaches of the analogy too ) or midwife assisted when a woman plans and intends to give birth at home it is an expression of an entirely different philosophy of birth. And, as for labels, I do believe that those who educate their children within the most liberal approach offered by their state are still homeschoolers. This makes me think of with the twins when we were exploring HOW to get a homebirth in a state where it's illegal for midwives to assist at births of multiples. One thought was to have them in the van in the parking lot and then take them in to get checked or go inside if there was a complication. I would have considered that a "homebirth" because of what was going into it and why certain compromises were being made.
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