"Under Loving Command"

Hilary316 · 01-09-2012, 12:05 AM

Apparently this was a booklet published in the late 1960s... Someone put it on their FB last night with the heading, "Long, but so helpful!"

I literally felt nauseous reading it. My heart just hurts for children that are put through this type of "discipline."

http://www. ntmu.net/lovingcommand.htm

nessnco · 01-09-2012, 01:35 AM

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marbles · 01-09-2012, 07:11 AM

I read the first section and couldn't finish. I don't understand why this is so hard: you can't study the english language and american culture to interpret a thousands of years old text.

newday · 01-09-2012, 07:34 AM

I always wonder how it is these adults believe God is "chastening" them

"oh, I lost my job. I need to figure out what God is punishing me for..."
"Whoa, that was a bad fall - and no good reason for it. I think it must be God telling me to not keep eating sweets when I have promised Him I would stop."

Is it like that?

FlyingBlueKiwi · 01-09-2012, 07:48 AM

Might want to break that link.

LearningMama · 01-09-2012, 08:35 AM

The first paragraph under "All Parents Train Their Children" is exactly what Voddie Bauchum said in the video flowermama posted in this thread http://www.gentlechristianmothers.co...d.php?t=433689
I wonder if he got some of his ideas from this.

CelticJourney · 01-09-2012, 08:38 AM

This is the worst aspect of punitive parenting - the idea that grace is for adults and never for children

ViolaMum · 01-09-2012, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newday

I always wonder how it is these adults believe God is "chastening" them

"oh, I lost my job. I need to figure out what God is punishing me for..."
"Whoa, that was a bad fall - and no good reason for it. I think it must be God telling me to not keep eating sweets when I have promised Him I would stop."

Is it like that?

That's exactly the idea I grew up with. Something good happens, it's God rewarding you for good behavior. Something bad happens, it's punishment for doing something wrong. Or it's Satan causing havoc and if you just hang in there long enough and pray hard enough and do all the right things and God will work it out to bless you.

Okay, so it might not have been preached quite that simplistically, but that was the idea.

CelticJourney · 01-09-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ViolaMum

That's exactly the idea I grew up with. Something good happens, it's God rewarding you for good behavior. Something bad happens, it's punishment for doing something wrong. Or it's Satan causing havoc and if you just hang in there long enough and pray hard enough and do all the right things and God will work it out to bless you.

Okay, so it might not have been preached quite that simplistically, but that was the idea.

I'm reading a book on the Gospel of Luke and this theme comes up over and over. Jesus tells them that 'it will be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven' - it was a total reversal of this concept of 'good things mean I'm worthy, bad things mean I've sinned' and was a little shocking. Likewise the healings He performed - people didn't get it because 'obviously those people were sick for a reason'. Grace, this radical reversal of understanding of 'worthiness', is at the heart of the Gospel and obviously still so misunderstood my so many.

arymanth · 01-09-2012, 09:15 AM

I don't know if it will do any good, but I sent an email to the "contact us" address, basically explaining the responsibility of "teachers of the Word" to be careful what they teach, since God holds them to a higher standard. This is a particularly dangerous topic to be wrong about, since the Bible talks about "causing little ones to stumble" and millstones around the neck. I also mentioned something about advising parents to do something that is legally considered child abuse in many states (are you telling parents to disobey the law of the land?)

Not sure I'll get an answer, but I couldn't just let it go.

Weezie · 01-09-2012, 09:21 AM

I feel like I read much of that somewhere before- almost word for word, but I've never heard of them before.

Maybe Dobson? It's going to bug me until I figure it out.

Oh, and it is

.

Castle On A Cloud · 01-09-2012, 09:38 AM

i just briefly skimmed it... but

tigerlily · 01-09-2012, 09:24 PM

I've read that before -- and I was so mad I was spitting nails afterward.

The author also very clearly states that Proverbs 22:6 is a promise.

katiekind · 01-11-2012, 07:00 AM

We had been excited to visit a particular church, and went out of our way on our vacation to be able to do so. When I walked into the sanctuary I had a sense of heaviness, though. The men were hale and hearty, but the women and children...were depressed and oppressed.

Children sat in service very quietly but when a toddler near us began to fuss the tiniest bit, her fuss turned to a sound of quiet fear as her father carried her out of the sanctuary. My heart sank and my stomach turned.

As we left I saw that pamphlet on a table in the foyer and knew that my instincts about what was going on in that room were correct.

01-09-2012, 12:05 AM	#1
Hilary316 Rose Blossom Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 223	"Under Loving Command" Apparently this was a booklet published in the late 1960s... Someone put it on their FB last night with the heading, "Long, but so helpful!" I literally felt nauseous reading it. My heart just hurts for children that are put through this type of "discipline." http://www. ntmu.net/lovingcommand.htm __________________ ...Hilary... mommy to Charlotte (12/08) Clara (11/10) Benjamin (12/12) Luke (7/15) Last edited by CelticJourney; 01-09-2012 at 08:27 AM. Reason: break live link

01-09-2012, 01:35 AM	#2
nessnco Rose Bush You are loved. Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Perth, Australia, I'm from New Zealand. Posts: 390	Re: "Under Loving Command" __________________ Mother of:4 grown children DD1 (born 88), DD2 (born 90), DD3 (born 92) and DS (born 94). DD has my first gandson (born 18)..

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01-09-2012, 07:11 AM	#4
marbles Rose Garden Our Family Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,047	Re: "Under Loving Command" I read the first section and couldn't finish. I don't understand why this is so hard: you can't study the english language and american culture to interpret a thousands of years old text. __________________ Mary K wife to Daniel for 16 years mom to 13 year old the Girl and 11 year old the Boy and 8 year old Tiny Almost always posting from my phone.

01-09-2012, 07:34 AM	#5
newday Deactivated Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 11,249	Re: "Under Loving Command" I always wonder how it is these adults believe God is "chastening" them "oh, I lost my job. I need to figure out what God is punishing me for..." "Whoa, that was a bad fall - and no good reason for it. I think it must be God telling me to not keep eating sweets when I have promised Him I would stop." Is it like that?

01-09-2012, 07:48 AM	#6
FlyingBlueKiwi Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,504	Re: "Under Loving Command" Might want to break that link. __________________ Wife to my wonderful Beloved (2002) / Mom to The Mathematician - making progress living with ASD, ADHD/SPD/anxiety and depression (2004) and precious Taylor taken from us too soon (2009). Go Team Lioness!!!

01-09-2012, 08:35 AM	#7
LearningMama Rose Trellis Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,938	Re: "Under Loving Command" The first paragraph under "All Parents Train Their Children" is exactly what Voddie Bauchum said in the video flowermama posted in this thread http://www.gentlechristianmothers.co...d.php?t=433689 I wonder if he got some of his ideas from this. __________________ Celeste INFJ Married to Marcus June 2009 Mama to "Little Bear" February 2011 Welcome Baby "YoYo" !! January 2014 Keeper of one grey cat Liz ...Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Matthew 25:40

01-09-2012, 08:38 AM	#8
CelticJourney Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 34,560	Re: "Under Loving Command" This is the worst aspect of punitive parenting - the idea that grace is for adults and never for children __________________ Elizabeth "Truth without love is divisive and hurtful & love without truth is anemic"--Pastor Estep Arise, cry out in the night...pour out your heart like water in the presence of the Lord; Lift up your hands to him for the lives of your children..; Lamentations 2:19

01-09-2012, 09:15 AM	#11
arymanth Rose Bouquet Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NE Wisconsin Posts: 959	Re: "Under Loving Command" I don't know if it will do any good, but I sent an email to the "contact us" address, basically explaining the responsibility of "teachers of the Word" to be careful what they teach, since God holds them to a higher standard. This is a particularly dangerous topic to be wrong about, since the Bible talks about "causing little ones to stumble" and millstones around the neck. I also mentioned something about advising parents to do something that is legally considered child abuse in many states (are you telling parents to disobey the law of the land?) Not sure I'll get an answer, but I couldn't just let it go. __________________ Stephanie, Mom to Seven Sensational Kids... Christopher -24, Jordan -21, Ian -19, Benjamin -16, Ivy -14, Josie -7 and Ronen -4 and creator of IvyRose Spica Chairs Now blogging at The Shepherd's Apprentice

01-09-2012, 09:21 AM	#12
Weezie Rose Garden A sign of God's love... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: in between the toys and laundry.. Posts: 8,111	Re: "Under Loving Command" I feel like I read much of that somewhere before- almost word for word, but I've never heard of them before. Maybe Dobson? It's going to bug me until I figure it out. Oh, and it is . __________________ ~~~C~~~ISF/TJ My fam: dh (11 yrs) Freckles (10) cleft lip/alveolar ridge Beansie (8 yrs) Trooper (toddling around) The Boo and The Boy too Daytime "second mother" to Cindy Lou Hoo and Petunia too Currently DF and WF for trooper

01-09-2012, 09:38 AM	#13
Castle On A Cloud Deactivated Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,740	Re: "Under Loving Command" i just briefly skimmed it... but

01-09-2012, 09:24 PM	#14
tigerlily Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Into the sky, all the way out. Posts: 7,377	Re: "Under Loving Command" I've read that before -- and I was so mad I was spitting nails afterward. The author also very clearly states that Proverbs 22:6 is a promise. __________________ Hi! I'm Robin married 13 years to my best friend mama to two ~ 9 & 6 years old ‎"Don't they teach recreational maths anymore?" ~The Doctor

01-11-2012, 07:00 AM	#15
katiekind Deactivated Peace be with you. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: the sweet sunny south Posts: 15,346	Re: "Under Loving Command" We had been excited to visit a particular church, and went out of our way on our vacation to be able to do so. When I walked into the sanctuary I had a sense of heaviness, though. The men were hale and hearty, but the women and children...were depressed and oppressed. Children sat in service very quietly but when a toddler near us began to fuss the tiniest bit, her fuss turned to a sound of quiet fear as her father carried her out of the sanctuary. My heart sank and my stomach turned. As we left I saw that pamphlet on a table in the foyer and knew that my instincts about what was going on in that room were correct.

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