Praying for the Pearls

Hope · 02-27-2013, 02:50 PM

I heard of someone the other day who was given the Pearl book as a new mom and it made me sad that this is still happening, even though there has been so much more awareness drawn to their abusive teachings in recent years. In praying about it, God has put on my heart to pray for them daily for a month straight, so I think I am going to start this Friday, march 1. I am going to put a reminder on my phone or a post it on my mirror so I don't forget! Would anyone like to join me in this prayer endeavor? I am going to pray boldly that people in their organization (including them) experience conviction and are willing to listen to God's still small voice and change their teachings. It is a long shot that feels like a hopelessly long shot, but Jesus is the author of miracles and brings hope where there is none. Thanks for considering joining me!

Llee · 03-01-2013, 06:50 AM

Thank you for doing this.

ruhama · 03-01-2013, 10:35 AM

A beautiful thought.

We truly do know the author of miracles. I want to do this, too. Just put a reminder on my phone. For the month of march - intercessory prayer for the Pearls, their followers and those touched by their teachings. God's grace is so big. It's glorious!

SewingGreenMama · 03-01-2013, 10:57 AM

I'm joining you too. Im Including a friend of mine in my daily prayer who introduced me to the pearls book for wives. She and her husband are avid pearl followers.

charla · 03-01-2013, 11:07 AM

I'll join.

Glitterfish · 03-01-2013, 11:10 AM

I'm in. Adding a reminder to my phone now!

Hope · 03-16-2013, 08:40 PM

Thanks to everyone praying! I really believe God is going to use our prayers to do something here, even if we never see the outcome. 2 things that have really encouraged me lately as i pray for them and against their teachings:

http://www.loveandlogic.com/pages/spanking.html - this is the love and logic authors retracting their previous pro-spanking statement and saying it is harmful. I realize that the love and logic people had a much shorter gap to bridge to get from where they were to anti-spanking than the Pearls do (now that is an understatement!), but it makes me want to pray that someday the Pearls are convicted and humbled enough by the love and grace of Christ to retract their previous teachings! Like you said above, God is the author of miracles, right? That would sure be one.

Then I saw Philippians 4:22 "All God’s people here send you greetings, especially those who belong to Caesar’s household." You may want to read through Philippians to see it in context, and I am not a bible scholar on Philippians so please take this with a grain of salt, but my understanding is that "Ceasar's household" becoming a part of "God's people" was such a long shot back then that it would be about the equivalent of Debi Pearl becoming a GCM. I love the casual way it is mentioned at the end of Philippians too (like it is no big deal...but how great it must have felt to Paul to write that!)...earlier in the book it talks in more detail about how Paul got the opportunity to minister to Ceasar's household because of his chains. I wonder who out there God is giving the opportunity to minister to the Pearls, and what unexpected circumstance he is using to bring that about. Oh, how we can pray!!!!

charla · 03-16-2013, 09:16 PM

I'm continuing to pray. I'm not remembering every single day but I think I remember the majority of days.

The first week, I found praying for them so hard. I felt such heaviness and oppression. It's getting easier, but I find I'm usually at a loss for words and am grateful that the Holy Spirit can hear the words I can't seem to form.

What has been the experience of the rest of you?

Hope · 03-16-2013, 09:25 PM

Agreed- I've struggled with a sense of where to even start. While I can see the hope of where God could bring them, it is so upsetting to acknowledge the place they are in right now and the harm they do to so many- in the name of God...kind of the "wolf in sheep's clothing" thing...which is definitely the worst kind of wolf. I try to remind myself to just pray...like you said, the Holy Spirit will intercede, and we sure need him to!

charla · 03-16-2013, 09:30 PM

Yes, that's it exactly.

ruhama · 03-16-2013, 09:45 PM

I haven't remembered everyday, but it hasn't been difficult for me. I lift them up, acknowledge their humanity and as image-bearers, praise God for the grace he gives, ask him to reveal his love, grace, kindness & mercy in dramatic and deeply challenging ways in their lives, I ask for healing in their lives (of relationships and abuse), I thank him for giving them hearts that desire him and ask that they grow closer to him and his truth, I ask for their hearts to be softened and for the ears of those who hear their message to be closed, I pray for the babies' protection, for soft hearts from current parents - that there may be some moment of clarity and dissonance that causes them to question and seek out those who both love God and discipline without hitting. Etc.

I'll add that the heaviness be lifted for my fellow intercessors.

---------- Post added at 12:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:37 AM ----------

I've prayed against a lot of evil before, though, & was trained to pray by missionary intercessors. I personally don't pray anything for anyone I wouldn't want prayed for me. I don't want my wrong beliefs to hurt others, I do want their ears closed to my words if they are not leading them to God. I do want my relationship with him to be closer, to be deepened. I want healing and a soft heart. I pray for them as I would a friend. Could your own emotions be clouding your prayer or do you feel this is a sort of spiritual block?

Luciola · 03-16-2013, 10:33 PM

Late to the thread, but praying.

03-17-2013, 07:34 AM

For some reason this comment just really stuck out to me by Hope, "Paul got the opportunity to minister to Ceasar's household because of his chains."

Sometimes I feel like I get overwhelmed by the poor parenting I was raised with...and it just struck me that those are chains that I have. And, so I need to stop seeing the downside of the ill effects of how I was parented and just do like Paul did and just use those chains to help set others free.

I think that for me rather than a reminder on my phone, I'm gonna try to keep a reminder in my head for every time I feel one of the negative effects of having been raised "wrong" I need to have that be my reminder to me to pray for the Pearls...for the Ezzos...and the Dobsons...for the people trying to follow those books...for their children...and all those people walking thru bookstores looking for a good book to help them parent their children!

Thanks for this encouragement today!

charla · 03-17-2013, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruhama

---------- Post added at 12:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:37 AM ----------

I've prayed against a lot of evil before, though, & was trained to pray by missionary intercessors. I personally don't pray anything for anyone I wouldn't want prayed for me. I don't want my wrong beliefs to hurt others, I do want their ears closed to my words if they are not leading them to God. I do want my relationship with him to be closer, to be deepened. I want healing and a soft heart. I pray for them as I would a friend. Could your own emotions be clouding your prayer or do you feel this is a sort of spiritual block?

I think that it simply has to do with my personality type and the way God made me to have a gift of discernment. I can sense/feel the evil in a real way. I feel evil as oppression, a heaviness. I'm grateful that when words fail me sometimes that the Holy Spirit intercedes on my behalf and that God can see my heart.

ruhama · 03-17-2013, 10:05 AM

I'm the same way, that's why I asked.

02-27-2013, 02:50 PM	#1
Hope Rose Blossom Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 187	Praying for the Pearls I heard of someone the other day who was given the Pearl book as a new mom and it made me sad that this is still happening, even though there has been so much more awareness drawn to their abusive teachings in recent years. In praying about it, God has put on my heart to pray for them daily for a month straight, so I think I am going to start this Friday, march 1. I am going to put a reminder on my phone or a post it on my mirror so I don't forget! Would anyone like to join me in this prayer endeavor? I am going to pray boldly that people in their organization (including them) experience conviction and are willing to listen to God's still small voice and change their teachings. It is a long shot that feels like a hopelessly long shot, but Jesus is the author of miracles and brings hope where there is none. Thanks for considering joining me! __________________ Hope Sensitive, passionate, gentle and strong mommy and wife

03-01-2013, 06:50 AM	#2
Llee Moderator Dancing stands with all seahorses who are journeying to freedom Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 19,197	Re: Praying for the Pearls Thank you for doing this. __________________ It's me, dh, Dressy Bessy (Sept 08) and Dancing Daisy (May 10) Lead the children to see in every pleasant and beautiful thing an expression of God's love for them. Recommend your religion to them by its pleasantness. Let the law of kindness be in your lips. ~Ellen G. White

03-01-2013, 10:35 AM	#3
ruhama Deactivated Jumping off the hot tin roof. Join Date: May 2011 Location: We are all of us made of stars. Posts: 2,106	Re: Praying for the Pearls A beautiful thought. We truly do know the author of miracles. I want to do this, too. Just put a reminder on my phone. For the month of march - intercessory prayer for the Pearls, their followers and those touched by their teachings. God's grace is so big. It's glorious!

03-01-2013, 10:57 AM	#4
SewingGreenMama Rose Trellis Deuteronomy 11:19 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Tennessee Posts: 3,052	I'm joining you too. Im Including a friend of mine in my daily prayer who introduced me to the pearls book for wives. She and her husband are avid pearl followers. __________________ "Reflections like these lead one to spare the rod ... purely because it is not easy to find a punishment that does not defeat it's own ends." -Charlotte Mason Parents and Children pg. 171 "If punishment were necessarily reformative, and able to cure us all of those 'sins we have a mind to,' why, the world would be a very good world;" -Charlotte Mason, Parents and Children pg. 172 W&C 8/4/06; G 15yo , M 11yo , S 8/29/13 , V 8yo , Baby 2yo

03-01-2013, 11:07 AM	#5
charla Administrator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 16,670	Re: Praying for the Pearls I'll join. __________________ CHARLA Married to Nick, 31 yrs Mom to Nathan and his wife Abby, and Hope Elizabeth, dancing for eternity with babies: Micah Noel, Grace Anna, Andrew David www.dancingforeternity.org www.irresistiblehope.org Save Save Save Save Save

03-01-2013, 11:10 AM	#6
Glitterfish Rose Garden That's not grey in my hair, it's glitter growing from my head. Duh. (formerly of the sstarcake variety) Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: The Northeast Posts: 3,929	Re: Praying for the Pearls I'm in. Adding a reminder to my phone now! __________________ Sara, Duchess of New Awesomeville, married to my soul mate for 13 years now, and The Minions: Punky Peanut Stinker two we never got to hold and one due in May 2015 "I reject your reality, and substitute my own!". ~Mythbusters

03-16-2013, 08:40 PM	#7
Hope Rose Blossom Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 187	Thanks to everyone praying! I really believe God is going to use our prayers to do something here, even if we never see the outcome. 2 things that have really encouraged me lately as i pray for them and against their teachings: http://www.loveandlogic.com/pages/spanking.html - this is the love and logic authors retracting their previous pro-spanking statement and saying it is harmful. I realize that the love and logic people had a much shorter gap to bridge to get from where they were to anti-spanking than the Pearls do (now that is an understatement!), but it makes me want to pray that someday the Pearls are convicted and humbled enough by the love and grace of Christ to retract their previous teachings! Like you said above, God is the author of miracles, right? That would sure be one. Then I saw Philippians 4:22 "All God’s people here send you greetings, especially those who belong to Caesar’s household." You may want to read through Philippians to see it in context, and I am not a bible scholar on Philippians so please take this with a grain of salt, but my understanding is that "Ceasar's household" becoming a part of "God's people" was such a long shot back then that it would be about the equivalent of Debi Pearl becoming a GCM. I love the casual way it is mentioned at the end of Philippians too (like it is no big deal...but how great it must have felt to Paul to write that!)...earlier in the book it talks in more detail about how Paul got the opportunity to minister to Ceasar's household because of his chains. I wonder who out there God is giving the opportunity to minister to the Pearls, and what unexpected circumstance he is using to bring that about. Oh, how we can pray!!!! __________________ Hope Sensitive, passionate, gentle and strong mommy and wife

03-16-2013, 09:16 PM	#8
charla Administrator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 16,670	Re: Praying for the Pearls I'm continuing to pray. I'm not remembering every single day but I think I remember the majority of days. The first week, I found praying for them so hard. I felt such heaviness and oppression. It's getting easier, but I find I'm usually at a loss for words and am grateful that the Holy Spirit can hear the words I can't seem to form. What has been the experience of the rest of you? __________________ CHARLA Married to Nick, 31 yrs Mom to Nathan and his wife Abby, and Hope Elizabeth, dancing for eternity with babies: Micah Noel, Grace Anna, Andrew David www.dancingforeternity.org www.irresistiblehope.org Save Save Save Save Save

03-16-2013, 09:25 PM	#9
Hope Rose Blossom Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 187	Agreed- I've struggled with a sense of where to even start. While I can see the hope of where God could bring them, it is so upsetting to acknowledge the place they are in right now and the harm they do to so many- in the name of God...kind of the "wolf in sheep's clothing" thing...which is definitely the worst kind of wolf. I try to remind myself to just pray...like you said, the Holy Spirit will intercede, and we sure need him to! __________________ Hope Sensitive, passionate, gentle and strong mommy and wife

03-16-2013, 09:30 PM	#10
charla Administrator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 16,670	Re: Praying for the Pearls Yes, that's it exactly. __________________ CHARLA Married to Nick, 31 yrs Mom to Nathan and his wife Abby, and Hope Elizabeth, dancing for eternity with babies: Micah Noel, Grace Anna, Andrew David www.dancingforeternity.org www.irresistiblehope.org Save Save Save Save Save

03-16-2013, 09:45 PM	#11
ruhama Deactivated Jumping off the hot tin roof. Join Date: May 2011 Location: We are all of us made of stars. Posts: 2,106	Re: Praying for the Pearls I haven't remembered everyday, but it hasn't been difficult for me. I lift them up, acknowledge their humanity and as image-bearers, praise God for the grace he gives, ask him to reveal his love, grace, kindness & mercy in dramatic and deeply challenging ways in their lives, I ask for healing in their lives (of relationships and abuse), I thank him for giving them hearts that desire him and ask that they grow closer to him and his truth, I ask for their hearts to be softened and for the ears of those who hear their message to be closed, I pray for the babies' protection, for soft hearts from current parents - that there may be some moment of clarity and dissonance that causes them to question and seek out those who both love God and discipline without hitting. Etc. I'll add that the heaviness be lifted for my fellow intercessors. ---------- Post added at 12:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:37 AM ---------- I've prayed against a lot of evil before, though, & was trained to pray by missionary intercessors. I personally don't pray anything for anyone I wouldn't want prayed for me. I don't want my wrong beliefs to hurt others, I do want their ears closed to my words if they are not leading them to God. I do want my relationship with him to be closer, to be deepened. I want healing and a soft heart. I pray for them as I would a friend. Could your own emotions be clouding your prayer or do you feel this is a sort of spiritual block?

03-16-2013, 10:33 PM	#12
Luciola Rose Trellis iNFp Type 2/1 Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,130	Re: Praying for the Pearls Late to the thread, but praying. __________________ River Tamm

03-17-2013, 07:34 AM	#13
DaraSKS Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Praying for the Pearls For some reason this comment just really stuck out to me by Hope, "Paul got the opportunity to minister to Ceasar's household because of his chains." Sometimes I feel like I get overwhelmed by the poor parenting I was raised with...and it just struck me that those are chains that I have. And, so I need to stop seeing the downside of the ill effects of how I was parented and just do like Paul did and just use those chains to help set others free. I think that for me rather than a reminder on my phone, I'm gonna try to keep a reminder in my head for every time I feel one of the negative effects of having been raised "wrong" I need to have that be my reminder to me to pray for the Pearls...for the Ezzos...and the Dobsons...for the people trying to follow those books...for their children...and all those people walking thru bookstores looking for a good book to help them parent their children! Thanks for this encouragement today!

03-17-2013, 10:05 AM	#15
ruhama Deactivated Jumping off the hot tin roof. Join Date: May 2011 Location: We are all of us made of stars. Posts: 2,106	Re: Praying for the Pearls I'm the same way, that's why I asked.

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