Has anyone heard about this book?

littleowl · 04-06-2011, 08:18 AM

It's called Give Them Grace: Dazzling Your Kids with the Love of Jesus by Elyse Fitzpatrick. I don't think it comes out until June but was wondering if it was the same old, same old punishment book. It doesn't sound like it. The assistant pastor of my former church mentioned it on his blog.

MercyInDisguise · 04-06-2011, 08:23 AM

In the editorial reviews section on Amazon, there is a raving review from Paul Tripp (the brother of the guy who wrote SACH).

littleowl · 04-06-2011, 08:25 AM

CelticJourney · 04-06-2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LilyRN

In the editorial reviews section on Amazon, there is a raving review from Paul Tripp (the brother of the guy who wrote SACH).

But remember that one thing about SACH is that the first 3/4 is about connecting to your children, so don't write the book off quite yet based on that. Lets hope its the 3/4 WITHOUT Tripps 1/4 disasterous ending.

tigerlily · 04-06-2011, 10:00 AM

Looks interesting,

I'd be curious to glance over a table of contents.

MercyInDisguise · 04-06-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by elcollins

But remember that one thing about SACH is that the first 3/4 is about connecting to your children, so don't write the book off quite yet based on that. Lets hope its the 3/4 WITHOUT Tripps 1/4 disasterous ending.

True, true. I think it is hard for me to get the other 1/4 out of my head. I actually really did like the other stuff. I think he actually has a good understanding of grace and relationships, he just needs to get those "rod" verses in a proper context.

NewCovenantMama · 04-20-2011, 03:32 PM

There's a blog by the author here. Doesn't mention spanking.

http://blog.givethemgrace.com/

littleowl · 04-20-2011, 05:26 PM

I'm cautious about this author. One of her blog entries talked about her getting a speeding ticket and explained how she was receiving her "just punishment." A commenter noted how she admired how she "received her discipline." Idk. The wording they are using sounds punitive. I hope I'm wrong.

3PeasInAPod · 04-22-2011, 06:52 AM

I don't know wny exactly, but I don't like the title - the "dazzling your kids" part...

beansmama · 09-28-2011, 07:07 PM

Oh no . . . Paul David Tripp is Tedd Tripp's brother? The same Paul Tripp who did "What Did you Expect?" I really liked that marriage series. I thought it all also could be applied to our relationship with children too.

schmamy · 09-29-2011, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by beansmama

Oh no . . . Paul David Tripp is Tedd Tripp's brother? The same Paul Tripp who did "What Did you Expect?" I really liked that marriage series. I thought it all also could be applied to our relationship with children too.

Yes, they are brothers - and there is a *lot* of true and helpful material in their books. Do I agree with everything they say about children and parenting? Definitely not. But quite honestly, I don't think it's fair to lump Tedd Tripp in with Ezzo and Pearl. I can understand if particularly sensitive people have to avoid SACH altogether because of the spanking stuff, but when I read SACH, I found MUCH in there to really appreciate (and found the spanking stuff to be similarly incongruent there, though not as obviously as with GTG). I just don't think Tripp is in the same league as Ezzo and Pearl.

CelticJourney · 09-29-2011, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by schmamy

Yes, they are brothers - and there is a *lot* of true and helpful material in their books. Do I agree with everything they say about children and parenting? Definitely not. But quite honestly, I don't think it's fair to lump Tedd Tripp in with Ezzo and Pearl. I can understand if particularly sensitive people have to avoid SACH altogether because of the spanking stuff, but when I read SACH, I found MUCH in there to really appreciate (and found the spanking stuff to be similarly incongruent there, though not as obviously as with GTG). I just don't think Tripp is in the same league as Ezzo and Pearl.

But what you are describing is the heart of the issue (no pun intended) - if you have 90% truth mixed with 10% false/bad doctrine, then you have a huge problem. I have learned over the years that many, many parents read this kind of material with a certain level of filter - many don't even remember the bad stuff they filtered it and forgot it. But many new christians or people so desperate to 'do it right' or 'do what everyone else is doing' can't filter out the bad. And I would strongly agrue that the 'bottom heart connection' is, under those circumstances, potentially devastating to a parent/child relationship and more importantly, have had many people who were children parented in this way say that it was a stumbling block to their relationship with God. For someone to teach that you can change a child's heart by hitting them....and require an immediate sign of your 'success' by requiring a 'happy attitude' about being hit......I see nothing of Christ in that, nothing of the gospel of grace. He negates the other 90%.

Zooey · 09-29-2011, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by elcollins

But what you are describing is the heart of the issue (no pun intended) - if you have 90% truth mixed with 10% false/bad doctrine, then you have a huge problem. I have learned over the years that many, many parents read this kind of material with a certain level of filter - many don't even remember the bad stuff they filtered it and forgot it. But many new christians or people so desperate to 'do it right' or 'do what everyone else is doing' can't filter out the bad. And I would strongly agrue that the 'bottom heart connection' is, under those circumstances, potentially devastating to a parent/child relationship and more importantly, have had many people who were children parented in this way say that it was a stumbling block to their relationship with God. For someone to teach that you can change a child's heart by hitting them....and require an immediate sign of your 'success' by requiring a 'happy attitude' about being hit......I see nothing of Christ in that, nothing of the gospel of grace. He negates the other 90%.

This.

schmamy · 09-29-2011, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by elcollins

But what you are describing is the heart of the issue (no pun intended) - if you have 90% truth mixed with 10% false/bad doctrine, then you have a huge problem. I have learned over the years that many, many parents read this kind of material with a certain level of filter - many don't even remember the bad stuff they filtered it and forgot it. But many new christians or people so desperate to 'do it right' or 'do what everyone else is doing' can't filter out the bad. And I would strongly agrue that the 'bottom heart connection' is, under those circumstances, potentially devastating to a parent/child relationship and more importantly, have had many people who were children parented in this way say that it was a stumbling block to their relationship with God. For someone to teach that you can change a child's heart by hitting them....and require an immediate sign of your 'success' by requiring a 'happy attitude' about being hit......I see nothing of Christ in that, nothing of the gospel of grace. He negates the other 90%.

I wouldn't recommend it across the board, without reservation, to people who can't or won't read with a filter. Beyond that I think we will just have to agree to disagree.

I'm sorry to have said anything about it. Didn't mean to derail the thread.

CelticJourney · 09-29-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by schmamy

I wouldn't recommend it across the board, without reservation, to people who can't or won't read with a filter. Beyond that I think we will just have to agree to disagree.

I'm sorry to have said anything about it. Didn't mean to derail the thread.

Please don't apologize - it's a conversation. And I do understand what you are saying about 3/4 of Tripp. I've heard it described many times as 75% wonderful discussion about parenting at a 'heart' level.....and then negating it with the 'heart bottom' connection. For some people, it is only the active, hands-on optons they will try because the adversarial approach is what they know best.

As for me, there are few books I recommend without disclaimer and having thought about it first, so I understand that approach.

04-06-2011, 08:18 AM	#1
littleowl Deactivated Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 61	Has anyone heard about this book? It's called Give Them Grace: Dazzling Your Kids with the Love of Jesus by Elyse Fitzpatrick. I don't think it comes out until June but was wondering if it was the same old, same old punishment book. It doesn't sound like it. The assistant pastor of my former church mentioned it on his blog.

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littleowl Deactivated Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 61	Re: Has anyone heard about this book? I'm cautious about this author. One of her blog entries talked about her getting a speeding ticket and explained how she was receiving her "just punishment." A commenter noted how she admired how she "received her discipline." Idk. The wording they are using sounds punitive. I hope I'm wrong.

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beansmama Rose Blossom A sinner saved my a merciful Savior - repenting of spanking, yelling and otherwise unloving mothering. Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 142	Re: Has anyone heard about this book? Oh no . . . Paul David Tripp is Tedd Tripp's brother? The same Paul Tripp who did "What Did you Expect?" I really liked that marriage series. I thought it all also could be applied to our relationship with children too.

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