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08-11-2005, 08:41 PM | #61 | |
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Re: Created To Be His Help Meet by Debi Pearl
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It's kind of a situation like staging a house. When my husband and I were recently selling our house we brought in a professional house stager (WELL worth the money!). One of the things she told us we needed to change the bedroom we were using as an office back into a bedroom because despite the listing saying the house had 3 bedrooms, if people only saw two rooms used as bedrooms, that is what they would remember. Same with the book...out of one side of their mouths the Pearls may say to report abuse to the police, but then they only show potential buyers examples of women who don't report abuse, so that is what is going to stick with people. Jenn |
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08-11-2005, 09:18 PM | #62 |
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I don't know...according to Spunky's review (I haven't read the book myself) there is a lot of double-speak in regards to reporting abuse. Michael apparentl writes some portion that talks about how the wife is not to be trying to determine if her husband has overstepped his authority because that would be stepping out of her submissive position. He also talks about suffering in silence being a Godly behavior. And of course there is the issue that they never give actual examples of women reporting abuse to the authorities, but rather women who chose to endure even in very extreme situations. [/quote Yeah, this idea of getting beaten for Jesus doesn't just belong to the Pearls. Elisabeth Elliot is also a proponent of dying for Jesus in the hands of your husband. She backs it up with 1 Peter and submitting to unbelieving husbands. C
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Elizabeth Elliot was the first author I read when I came to Christ in 1992. (Dobson was right behind her ) I continued to listen to her, admire her and follow her advice for the next 10 years. It did our family far more harm than good. She has some wonderful things to say about her and her husband's missionary work. I wish she'd stick to that topic.
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08-12-2005, 06:47 AM | #64 |
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I guess it is an indicator of what God holds as precious and holy - the parenting relationship and the marrige relationship - that those are what Satan attacks most often. It is astonishing to me how seductive and 'tricky' these people are that so many believe their false teaching.
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08-12-2005, 06:57 AM | #65 |
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I didn't realize Elisabeth Elliot had such extreme views. I read two of her books as a teenager.. even coming from my very conservative background there were some things that struck me as a bit difficult to swallow... but she was a well-respected Christian author in those circles, so I tried really hard to internalize the concepts she was teaching. I will say she had a VERY strong influence on my ideas about womanhood, submission, and gender roles as I came into adulthood. Now I'm wondering if that was a good thing or a bad thing...
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However, one other example on p. 269, where the husband tells his wife to stop attending church, the Pearls say stop attending. I'm going to make a guess and say that Michael Pearl never ordered Debi to stop attending church, so they really have no point of reference here. I had been asked to stop attending church and I said no, and I have been blessed for standing my ground. We have been commanded to worship Him, so I feel I would be violating His word by not worshipping. |
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08-12-2005, 08:21 AM | #67 |
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I have yet to see any pearls of wisdom come out of the toxic waste of NGJ/Pearls. Borrowed nuggets, maybe, nothing of their own.
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Can anyone explain what *they* mean by a sodomite predator? Is that a sexual abuser of boys or men? It had to be something to report him to the police for, but that is such a strange wording
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and she was advised to stay married to him??? That is terrible!
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that is so unboundaried and sick that I don't even know what to say
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That's sick & revolting.
You know what? I was molested repeatedly by my grandfather, as were several of my sisters. Sounds to me like a woman following the advice to stay with a ' pervert who molested her own children is a woman setting her grandchildren up to be molested, too. What a wonderful legacy to pass on to future generations, huh? Christ is perfect. Let Him forgive & forget. Me? Sorry, I'm a little too imperfectly human for that. I would be tempted to pull a Lorena Bobbit, if you ask me. |
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