Proverbs parenting? - Page 2

BarefootBetsy · 12-31-2010, 10:42 PM

Well, it takes a long time to go through even just five verses and figure out what all the main words could mean in Hebrew and look at all the different ways they've been translated in English over the years and puzzle out the various ways they could be interpreted... I can understand why not everyone would want to do that when the "rod" verses have such an established meaning already.

But I'd think that doing such a thing would be something a teacher *should* be doing before they teach about it. It really is disturbing that so few (read: almost none) actually bother to do anything remotely like a word/context study on certain passages (not just these) because they just accept what the popular interpretation is without question. They might do it on other passages where the consensus is a little shakier, but since everyone seems to agree that the rod verses mean spanking... who's going to question it? IMO, until and unless we shake that consensus enough for people to actually need to revisit it, almost nobody will.

Peridot · 01-01-2011, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpsings

What does the Holy Spirit tell you? Does it make sense to you that a loving God would want you to beat your child with a rod?
I hope this isn't coming across wrong, but I think it's important that we listen to the Holy Spirit when trying to interpret His word. Then we can consider how it's been translated and taught and discern which is right.

When I was spanking Maximus for hitting his newborn brother, I was saying, 'YOu may not hit him just because he doesn't do what you say!'...

a gentle voice whispered, "but that's what YOU are doing"....

There's a reason we feel uneasy when we start spanking. It makes us feel badly, and that's because it is NOT right.

On another note- BareFootBetsy's posts are SO good that a gentleman who is prospanking posted it to his website saying that it was well done and he needed to wrestle with it because there was truth there.

(its in the comments)

BarefootBetsy · 01-01-2011, 08:22 AM

Wow. "Significant merit"

*must finish next post this weekend - the sicknesses coming to my family will not stop me!!!*

NewCovenantMama · 01-01-2011, 09:10 AM

There's a really good article at http://parentingfreedom.com/discipline/ which explains why it's actually impossible to take the "rod scriptures" as a command to spank small children, and unlikely that they refer to spanking at all, when they are read in the original Hebrew

.

Emma

Maggie · 01-01-2011, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarefootBetsy

Wow. "Significant merit"

*must finish next post this weekend - the sicknesses coming to my family will not stop me!!!*

Wow, very cool!

Where can I find this? Is it on your blog? I couldn't find the comments there.

Peridot · 01-01-2011, 10:21 AM

sorry, its a 'pingback' at the bottom, Steven Borque, I think.

I don't think I can link it to GCM.... uav.

BarefootBetsy · 01-01-2011, 10:59 AM

If you go to the post:

http://greenegem.wordpress.com/2010/...terpretations/

And follow the page all the way down you'll see the pingback between the last comment and the box where you can comment. If you click on the pingback link it'll take you to his post

I believe the Parenting Freedom article is another one I linked to (don't remember if it was part one or part two though). There were a lot of great articles to link to which is partly why that post also took a while to write

Zooey · 01-02-2011, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarefootBetsy

Well, it takes a long time to go through even just five verses and figure out what all the main words could mean in Hebrew and look at all the different ways they've been translated in English over the years and puzzle out the various ways they could be interpreted... I can understand why not everyone would want to do that when the "rod" verses have such an established meaning already.

But I'd think that doing such a thing would be something a teacher *should* be doing before they teach about it. It really is disturbing that so few (read: almost none) actually bother to do anything remotely like a word/context study on certain passages (not just these) because they just accept what the popular interpretation is without question. They might do it on other passages where the consensus is a little shakier, but since everyone seems to agree that the rod verses mean spanking... who's going to question it? IMO, until and unless we shake that consensus enough for people to actually need to revisit it, almost nobody will.

This.

12-31-2010, 10:42 PM	#16
BarefootBetsy Rose Garden "You are on the path...exactly where you are meant to be." Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Seeking Simplicity Posts: 12,684	Re: Proverbs parenting? Well, it takes a long time to go through even just five verses and figure out what all the main words could mean in Hebrew and look at all the different ways they've been translated in English over the years and puzzle out the various ways they could be interpreted... I can understand why not everyone would want to do that when the "rod" verses have such an established meaning already. But I'd think that doing such a thing would be something a teacher should be doing before they teach about it. It really is disturbing that so few (read: almost none) actually bother to do anything remotely like a word/context study on certain passages (not just these) because they just accept what the popular interpretation is without question. They might do it on other passages where the consensus is a little shakier, but since everyone seems to agree that the rod verses mean spanking... who's going to question it? IMO, until and unless we shake that consensus enough for people to actually need to revisit it, almost nobody will. __________________ Barefooting through life with dh (2003), dd1 (11/05), dd2 (7/07), dd3 (11/09), and ds (8/13). Unless explicitly stated otherwise, any views or opinions presented in the above posts are solely those of BarefootBetsy, the GCM member, and do not necessarily represent the views or opinions of anyone else in the entire world.

01-01-2011, 08:22 AM	#18
BarefootBetsy Rose Garden "You are on the path...exactly where you are meant to be." Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Seeking Simplicity Posts: 12,684	Re: Proverbs parenting? Wow. "Significant merit" must finish next post this weekend - the sicknesses coming to my family will not stop me!!! __________________ Barefooting through life with dh (2003), dd1 (11/05), dd2 (7/07), dd3 (11/09), and ds (8/13). Unless explicitly stated otherwise, any views or opinions presented in the above posts are solely those of BarefootBetsy, the GCM member, and do not necessarily represent the views or opinions of anyone else in the entire world.

01-01-2011, 09:10 AM	#19
NewCovenantMama Climbing Rose Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK Posts: 1,192	Re: Proverbs parenting? There's a really good article at http://parentingfreedom.com/discipline/ which explains why it's actually impossible to take the "rod scriptures" as a command to spank small children, and unlikely that they refer to spanking at all, when they are read in the original Hebrew . Emma

01-01-2011, 10:21 AM	#21
Peridot Rose Garden I stand before you, DeFrocked!! Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Qontinuum Posts: 11,537	Re: Proverbs parenting? sorry, its a 'pingback' at the bottom, Steven Borque, I think. I don't think I can link it to GCM.... uav. __________________ This is me- and them- ds 'Maximus'- 7.5 yrs, and ds 'Minimus'- 5 yrs. "A normal, imperfect, LUMPEN human being!!" Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. and yet, one day Love himself barged into the Temple with a bullwhip and declared enough was enough. I will testify to Love.

01-01-2011, 10:59 AM	#22
BarefootBetsy Rose Garden "You are on the path...exactly where you are meant to be." Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Seeking Simplicity Posts: 12,684	Re: Proverbs parenting? If you go to the post: http://greenegem.wordpress.com/2010/...terpretations/ And follow the page all the way down you'll see the pingback between the last comment and the box where you can comment. If you click on the pingback link it'll take you to his post I believe the Parenting Freedom article is another one I linked to (don't remember if it was part one or part two though). There were a lot of great articles to link to which is partly why that post also took a while to write __________________ Barefooting through life with dh (2003), dd1 (11/05), dd2 (7/07), dd3 (11/09), and ds (8/13). Unless explicitly stated otherwise, any views or opinions presented in the above posts are solely those of BarefootBetsy, the GCM member, and do not necessarily represent the views or opinions of anyone else in the entire world.

X vBulletin 3.8.3 Debug Information
Page Generation 0.09344 seconds Memory Usage 7,822KB Queries Executed 14 (?)
More Information
Template Usage: (1)SHOWTHREAD (1)ad_footer_end (1)ad_footer_start (1)ad_header_end (1)ad_header_logo (1)ad_navbar_below (1)ad_showthread_beforeqr (1)ad_showthread_firstpost (1)ad_showthread_firstpost_sig (1)ad_showthread_firstpost_start (3)bbcode_quote (1)cyb_flashimagebanners (1)footer (1)forumjump (1)forumrules (1)gobutton (1)header (1)headinclude (1)navbar (3)navbar_link (60)option (1)pagenav (1)pagenav_curpage (1)pagenav_pagelink (8)post_groan_box (1)post_groan_javascript (1)post_groan_navbar_search (8)post_thanks_box (13)post_thanks_box_bit (1)post_thanks_javascript (1)post_thanks_navbar_search (6)post_thanks_postbit_legacy (8)postbit_legacy (8)postbit_onlinestatus (68)postbit_reputation (8)postbit_wrapper (4)showthread_bookmarksite (1)smqre_editor_button (1)spacer_close (1)spacer_open (1)tagbit_wrapper Phrase Groups Available: global inlinemod postbit posting reputationlevel showthread	Included Files: ./showthread.php ./global.php ./includes/init.php ./includes/class_core.php ./includes/config.php ./includes/functions.php ./includes/class_hook.php ./includes/functions_notice.php ./mobiquo/smartbanner.php ./mobiquo/include/classTTConnection.php ./mobiquo/smartbanner/head.inc.php ./includes/functions_bigthree.php ./includes/class_postbit.php ./includes/class_bbcode.php ./includes/functions_reputation.php ./includes/adminfunctions_template.php ./includes/functions_misc.php ./includes/functions_post_thanks.php ./includes/functions_post_groan.php Hooks Called: init_startup cache_permissions fetch_threadinfo_query fetch_threadinfo fetch_foruminfo style_fetch cache_templates global_start parse_templates fetch_musername notices_check_start global_setup_complete showthread_start template_groups template_safe_functions template_compile showthread_getinfo forumjump showthread_post_start showthread_query_postids showthread_query bbcode_fetch_tags bbcode_create showthread_postbit_create postbit_factory postbit_display_start post_thanks_function_post_thanks_off_start post_thanks_function_post_thanks_off_end post_thanks_function_fetch_thanks_start post_thanks_function_fetch_thanks_end post_thanks_function_thanked_already_start post_thanks_function_thanked_already_end post_thanks_function_fetch_thanks_bit_start post_thanks_function_show_thanks_date_start post_thanks_function_fetch_thanks_bit_end post_thanks_function_fetch_post_thanks_template_start post_thanks_function_fetch_post_thanks_template_end post_groan_function_post_groan_off_start post_groan_function_post_groan_off_end post_groan_function_fetch_groans_start post_groan_function_fetch_groans_end post_groan_function_groaned_already_start post_groan_function_groaned_already_end reputation_image bbcode_parse_start postbit_imicons bbcode_parse_complete_precache bbcode_parse_complete postbit_display_complete error_fetch pagenav_page pagenav_complete tag_fetchbit_complete forumrules showthread_bookmarkbit navbits navbits_complete showthread_complete
Messages: