more rod discussions - Page 2

ArmsOfLove · 08-03-2005, 08:08 AM

She meant that he teaches you "shouldn't" spank. Nothing but a typo

hollybells · 08-03-2005, 08:25 AM

Thanks ~ I thought I was losing it! (which is possible ...

) I just need more sleep.

Holly

cklewis · 08-03-2005, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Titus2:5Catholic

But what I find funny is the Pearls' book is wacko off the wall theologically according to any branch of Protestantism that I know of (I admit my knowledge is limited to Pentacostal, Salvation Army, and a little bit of Reformed) and certainly according to Catholicism, and yet people seem to be able to "glean the good" from that.

You are SOOOOO right!!

I have nothing to add except agreement. What's WITH that?

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Originally Posted by Titus2:5Catholic

I wish there was different resources out there. I'm facing the same thing from "my side"- Popack is the only AP Catholic author I've been able to find, and he is fairly liberal in some areas theologically, so he's not really a good resource for all the Pearl users at my church- they would see the bad stuff and automatically discount the rest.

Forgive me if I'm a complete lame brain. There are people in your CATHOLIC church that find resonance with Pearls?!??!?!???!??!?!

I'm stunned. I mean, they would immediately dismiss Popack because he's "way out there," but they accept the Pearls even though they are "way out there."

I don't get it. Just between us? It sounds like they are just looking for justification to continue the things they are already doing.

C

08-03-2005, 10:20 AM

Camille.. you're pregnant!!!!! YEAH!!!

I didn't know yet.

[returning the thread to it's original topic now

]

cklewis · 08-03-2005, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by palil

Camille.. you're pregnant!!!!! YEAH!!!

I didn't know yet.

[returning the thread to it's original topic now

]

Yes!!

C

Heather Micaela · 08-03-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmsOfLove

She meant that he teaches you "shouldn't" spank. Nothing but a typo

Yep!
thats what i get for responding when I'm tired!

hollybells · 08-03-2005, 11:56 AM

And that's what I get for trying to think when I'm tired!

Holly

08-04-2005, 09:00 AM

...you girls are so funny

08-04-2005, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cklewis

You are SOOOOO right!!

I have nothing to add except agreement. What's WITH that?

Like you said, I think they're just looking for support for what they agreed with already. Plus, he quotes Bible verses non-stop and I think for a lot of people quanity=quality, if YKWIM? It doesn't matter if they're actually RELATED, they're there, so therefore it must be Biblical. My in-laws are like that somewhat.

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Originally Posted by Titus2:5Catholic

Forgive me if I'm a complete lame brain. There are people in your CATHOLIC church that find resonance with Pearls?!??!?!???!??!?!

I'm stunned. I mean, they would immediately dismiss Popack because he's "way out there," but they accept the Pearls even though they are "way out there."

I don't get it. Just between us? It sounds like they are just looking for justification to continue the things they are already doing.

Popack is off in his Catholic theology which makes people suspect the parenting theology, whereas TTUAC doesn't claim to be Catholic, so I think it's easier in some ways for people to just toss aside the bad, if that makes sense. Most people I know read it for the technique NOT theology, already being convinced to spank. The pressure to get the kids to sit through Mass leads to TTUAC for a lot of people. There is also the fear. People tell you that it's the ONLY way you will be able to control a large family and most traditional Catholics barring infertility or pretty serious reasons to avoid are going to have large families. I think it's really due to a lack of mentoring. The young women, desperate for advice, go to the older women whose families were already raise and who were highly punative, and you throw in suspicion of anything sounding too "New-Agey" and you've got it.

hsgbdmama · 08-04-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2:5Catholic

Quote:

Originally Posted by cklewis

Plus, he quotes Bible verses non-stop and I think for a lot of people quanity=quality, if YKWIM? It doesn't matter if they're actually RELATED, they're there, so therefore it must be Biblical.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus2:5Catholic

Forgive me if I'm a complete lame brain. There are people in your CATHOLIC church that find resonance with Pearls?!??!?!???!??!?!

I'm stunned. I mean, they would immediately dismiss Popack because he's "way out there," but they accept the Pearls even though they are "way out there."

I don't get it. Just between us? It sounds like they are just looking for justification to continue the things they are already doing.

Popack is off in his Catholic theology which makes people suspect the parenting theology, whereas TTUAC doesn't claim to be Catholic, so I think it's easier in some ways for people to just toss aside the bad, if that makes sense. Most people I know read it for the technique NOT theology, already being convinced to spank. The pressure to get the kids to sit through Mass leads to TTUAC for a lot of people. There is also the fear. People tell you that it's the ONLY way you will be able to control a large family and most traditional Catholics barring infertility or pretty serious reasons to avoid are going to have large families. I think it's really due to a lack of mentoring. The young women, desperate for advice, go to the older women whose families were already raise and who were highly punative, and you throw in suspicion of anything sounding too "New-Agey" and you've got it.

And one of the things that Mr. Pearl boasts upon (and Mrs. Pearl does so as well to support him) is that he not only refers to his KJV Bible, but also his THREE Greek Bibles!

It does come off as arrogance when he kind of "trumps" people on interpreting Scripture, IMHO, and makes it fruitless to debate people like this.

ArmsOfLove · 08-04-2005, 01:30 PM

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And one of the things that Mr. Pearl boasts upon (and Mrs. Pearl does so as well to support him) is that he not only refers to his KJV Bible, but also his THREE Greek Bibles! It does come off as arrogance when he kind of "trumps" people on interpreting Scripture, IMHO, and makes it fruitless to debate people like this.

That explains so much. Did you know there's only one Greek word for Rod but in Hebrew there are at least 3 used in Scripture

hsgbdmama · 08-04-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmsOfLove

[That explains so much. Did you know there's only one Greek word for Rod but in Hebrew there are at least 3 used in Scripture

Innnnnnnteresssstinnnnnngggg...

Would that be the reason why they interpret it the way that they do then? (I was able to read through only a very small portion of TTUAC before I

and had to stop.)

greenemama · 08-04-2005, 07:18 PM

this is some great stuff, mamas!

that is sooooo interesting about the pearl's greek rod.

08-04-2005, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cklewis

Yes!!

C

Camille!! I'm so happy for you!!!!

Will pray God's protection over this little one!

chelsea · 08-06-2005, 08:34 AM

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Popack is off in his Catholic theology which makes people suspect the parenting theology, whereas TTUAC doesn't claim to be Catholic, so I think it's easier in some ways for people to just toss aside the bad, if that makes sense.

That totally makes sense. I think it could be compared to how a lot of people hold Ezzo to a higher accountability because he calls himself a Christian and we seem to be a little more "soft" on people like Ferber who do not make those claims.

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that is sooooo interesting about the pearl's greek rod

Yes, VERY interesting! I never knew that, and it always confuses me how 10 people calling themselves "Bible scholars" can come up with 10 different versions of the truth! I guess that's why praying and asking God to reveal Himself is so important! Without that assurance, I would never know what to believe! Makes me want to learn Greek and Hebrew and study it myself...but alas, I do not have the time right now!

P.S. Congrats to you Camille!

And what a cute pic of your little guy!

08-03-2005, 08:08 AM	#16
ArmsOfLove Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 79,607	Re: more rod discussions She meant that he teaches you "shouldn't" spank. Nothing but a typo __________________ Crystal "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." Maya Angelou

08-03-2005, 08:25 AM	#17
hollybells Deactivated Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,751	Re: more rod discussions Thanks ~ I thought I was losing it! (which is possible ... ) I just need more sleep. Holly

08-03-2005, 10:20 AM	#19
Katherine Guest Posts: n/a	Re: more rod discussions Camille.. you're pregnant!!!!! YEAH!!! I didn't know yet. [returning the thread to it's original topic now ]

08-03-2005, 11:56 AM	#22
hollybells Deactivated Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,751	Re: more rod discussions And that's what I get for trying to think when I'm tired! Holly

08-04-2005, 09:00 AM	#23
Lois Guest Posts: n/a	Re: more rod discussions ...you girls are so funny

08-04-2005, 07:18 PM	#28
greenemama Deactivated Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,206	Re: more rod discussions this is some great stuff, mamas! that is sooooo interesting about the pearl's greek rod.

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