SACH bible study, bleh

kiloyd · 10-13-2010, 06:57 PM

I knew it was probably coming, our new pastor's wife is teaching a bible study using Shepherding A Child's Heart,

The study will be at night. On one hand I should go because not the whole book is bad and I could bring up questions. On the other hand, I don't like going out at night and I really don't want to study this book.

AmyDoll · 10-13-2010, 07:31 PM

ew.

That's so stinky. That book gets me riled

I wouldnt be able to go without losing my mind. I'd stay home & probably avoid church. Oh wait. That *is* what I do.

I'm sorry, friend.

10-13-2010, 09:49 PM

Can you give some details as to why this book is not reccomended? I had a girlfriend tell me she loved the book so I'm just curious...having not read it myself...why it would be not recommended by a GCMama

Joanne · 10-14-2010, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BethMarie

Can you give some details as to why this book is not reccomended? I had a girlfriend tell me she loved the book so I'm just curious...having not read it myself...why it would be not recommended by a GCMama

It's very spanking centered and from an adversarial mindset. Tripp sees spanking as a cure-all, Biblical discipline and uses bad exegesis to defend spanking as the primary "discpline" tool of young children.

kiloyd · 10-14-2010, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AmyDoll

ew.

That's so stinky. That book gets me riled

I wouldnt be able to go without losing my mind. I'd stay home & probably avoid church. Oh wait. That *is* what I do.

I'm sorry, friend.

Yeah, I don't really want to listen to this pastor's sermons anymore. I'm not excited to go to church now. The bad thing is dh would agree with a lot of it, even though he has only spanked our kids maybe 2 times.

SACH says "we are sinning if we do not spank our children". I say we are sinning if we don't discipline our children.

There are soooo many other better parenting books, I'm not wasting my time on this one.

Marynmunchkins has a blog about some of the book, I'll get her to link to it.

CelticJourney · 10-14-2010, 10:34 AM

I would definitely stay home.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BethMarie

Can you give some details as to why this book is not reccomended? I had a girlfriend tell me she loved the book so I'm just curious...having not read it myself...why it would be not recommended by a GCMama

Tripp does a very contradictory thing with SACH. He spends 70% of the book talking about connecting to your child and reaching their heart. THEN he starts talking about things like the 'bottom to heart' connection and a very disturbing story where he talks about spanking his child and when they did not present a 'happy' attitude afterwards informing the child that they 'were not sweet enough and needed more of a spanking' (earning him the 'spank them till they're sweet' title).

So in addition to contractictions within his own writing, two big things come from this. Focus on outward behavior and 'sweetness' over true understanding and willingness on the part of the child (dispite the other half of the book

) and the idea that physical pain and punishment can bring about a change in heart and motivation.

Hermana Linda · 10-14-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BethMarie

Can you give some details as to why this book is not reccomended? I had a girlfriend tell me she loved the book so I'm just curious...having not read it myself...why it would be not recommended by a GCMama

Check out this post from our Resources Sticky. You might also want to check out this blog.

mwwr · 10-14-2010, 03:39 PM

I wouldn't recommend that *you* go to a night Bible study if the topic was excellent. Since it is not, stay home.

What does D. think about the new pastor overall? Would you be willing to shere your views and concerns with him/her?

kiloyd · 10-14-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mwwr

I wouldn't recommend that *you* go to a night Bible study if the topic was excellent. Since it is not, stay home.

What does D. think about the new pastor overall? Would you be willing to shere your views and concerns with him/her?

Yeah, I was invited to a Tupperware party that was tonight at 7pm and I remembered it at 7:10. I'm not a night person. So why would I go to a "bible study" to study SACH???? NOT!

I need to read Mary's blog. I just read Jen's letter. I need to arm myself and when asked, which I'm sure will happen, if I'm coming to the Thurs. night study I can say "no, I will not study that book". Or give me something else to say.

katiekind · 10-14-2010, 05:25 PM

You could say something like, "I love the shepherding imagery that he uses, and the focus on grace, but I find what he says about spanking to be very disturbing, so I'm not interested. Thanks though. I will pray for the class."

mommy9994 · 10-14-2010, 06:41 PM

we took this class at church when we *did* spank. Even then, after the video/chapter where he talks about spanking, dh and I were like "this guy's creepy". I think a lot of what he says about getting to the heart is spot on. This chapter just seems out of place in an otherwise ok book.

Not to mention, in the videos, he's just... creepy.

kiloyd · 10-14-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by katiekind

You could say something like, "I love the shepherding imagery that he uses, and the focus on grace, but I find what he says about spanking to be very disturbing, so I'm not interested. Thanks though. I will pray for the class."

Thanks, I think I'll put this in my own words, sounds better than "NO, I'm not going to that class!". LOL!

10-14-2010, 09:26 PM

Wow! I had no idea...thank you for posting the links for me to research this book. My heart is saddened by it's contents and I now totally understand your delema...prayers for you in how to respond.

kiloyd · 10-15-2010, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BethMarie

Wow! I had no idea...thank you for posting the links for me to research this book. My heart is saddened by it's contents and I now totally understand your delema...prayers for you in how to respond.

Thank you for your prayers.

I think that even if part of a book is good, if it has another part that is awful then it should not be taught/studied. There are so many other books that are all good, like Easy To Love, Difficult to Discipline. Of course that one is not speficially Christian.

Give me a good Christian based book. Families Where Grace is in Place is good

Zooey · 10-16-2010, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Joanne

It's very spanking centered and from an adversarial mindset. Tripp sees spanking as a cure-all, Biblical discipline and uses bad exegesis to defend spanking as the primary "discpline" tool of young children.

This; exactly.

10-13-2010, 06:57 PM	#1
kiloyd Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 16,108	SACH bible study, bleh I knew it was probably coming, our new pastor's wife is teaching a bible study using Shepherding A Child's Heart, The study will be at night. On one hand I should go because not the whole book is bad and I could bring up questions. On the other hand, I don't like going out at night and I really don't want to study this book. __________________ k-i-loyd, not kill loyd ISFJ/P Katherine, married 8-9-97 ds1 22 (adding a dil in August!) dd1 18 dd2 16 ds2 10

10-13-2010, 07:31 PM	#2
AmyDoll Deactivated Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: State of Grace Posts: 11,062	Re: SACH bible study, bleh ew. That's so stinky. That book gets me riled I wouldnt be able to go without losing my mind. I'd stay home & probably avoid church. Oh wait. That is what I do. I'm sorry, friend.

10-13-2010, 09:49 PM	#3
BethMarie Guest Posts: n/a	Re: SACH bible study, bleh Can you give some details as to why this book is not reccomended? I had a girlfriend tell me she loved the book so I'm just curious...having not read it myself...why it would be not recommended by a GCMama

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mwwr Deactivated It is good to be Queen! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Nothin' could be finer... Posts: 8,231	Re: SACH bible study, bleh I wouldn't recommend that you go to a night Bible study if the topic was excellent. Since it is not, stay home. What does D. think about the new pastor overall? Would you be willing to shere your views and concerns with him/her?

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katiekind Deactivated Peace be with you. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: the sweet sunny south Posts: 15,346	Re: SACH bible study, bleh You could say something like, "I love the shepherding imagery that he uses, and the focus on grace, but I find what he says about spanking to be very disturbing, so I'm not interested. Thanks though. I will pray for the class."

10-14-2010, 06:41 PM	#11
mommy9994 Rose Bush Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 379	Re: SACH bible study, bleh we took this class at church when we did spank. Even then, after the video/chapter where he talks about spanking, dh and I were like "this guy's creepy". I think a lot of what he says about getting to the heart is spot on. This chapter just seems out of place in an otherwise ok book. Not to mention, in the videos, he's just... creepy. __________________ Amy, wife to Dan since July, 1994 striving to be a gentler mommy to Alekzandr Charles Aliana Rebekah Lydia trusting the Lord for any future children. Feel free to pm me about food allergies, eczema, complementarian marriage, homeschooling, breastfeeding, large family...

10-14-2010, 09:26 PM	#13
BethMarie Guest Posts: n/a	Re: SACH bible study, bleh Wow! I had no idea...thank you for posting the links for me to research this book. My heart is saddened by it's contents and I now totally understand your delema...prayers for you in how to respond.

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