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03-19-2010, 05:29 PM | #1 |
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Kirk Cameron and Ted Tripp
Someone suggested that this topic would be a good spin-off topic from the Michael Pearl mess since I mentioned on that thread that Kirk Cameron recommends Ted Tripp's parenting resources on his website and claims that he uses them continually with his children. As he is very influential, it seems an important topic to discuss respectfully of course.So, I am starting the topic.
First off, I want to say, that I do not think Kirk Cameron is a "bad" person. I think he genuinely believes he is being a good Christian and is listening to the teachings of others who claim that their teachings are biblical and right. There are a bunch of links in which state his endorsement of Ted Tripp's teachings. if you like I can post broken links of them tomorrow. i am a substitute postal carrier and will be back home late tomorrow afternoon. well, the time varies as it depends on the mail count witch is variable. Goodnight and happy thoughts.☺ |
03-19-2010, 06:07 PM | #2 |
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Re: Kirk Cameron and Ted Tripp
One of the Bible teachers who is posting wonderful blogs arguing against Pearl's teachings also recommends Tripp. I can't really understand it. You can find links on my website. He's the one where I say, "a pastor who uses Tedd Tripp's teachings in his church, speaks out against Pearl's teachings."
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03-19-2010, 06:14 PM | #3 |
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Re: Kirk Cameron and Ted Tripp
Im not fam. W/trip..what is his platform?
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03-19-2010, 06:21 PM | #4 | |
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I'm sorry, I don't have the book in front of me, so I can't give page numbers or quotes. I'm going from memory here. A lot of the good things in his book echo the "tying heart strings" concept that the Pearls teach, and I think a lot of parents like that idea. Then they throw the icky stuff like that in. He teaches not only that spanking is okay, but it's necessary and required by the Bible. He pretty much teaches that a child's salvation depends on it.
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03-19-2010, 06:53 PM | #5 |
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03-19-2010, 07:07 PM | #6 |
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Re: Kirk Cameron and Ted Tripp
i'm for more info on TT. the church i attend womens bible study at is doing a parenting class by paul david tripp, which i can only assume is the DVD series with his brother ted. a lot of my IRL friends go here...so i;m but also interested to know more about what TT says, so i can be prepared for any conversations that may come up.
ETA: i did a little more digging and found SACH and BW on the recommended parental resources page on the churches website. does it seem odd that a church would recommend book on sleep training? it seems a little out of line to me. i am disppointed, expecially since after their blog had some awesome articles, like a very favorable commentary on the Christianity Today article from January. sigh. sorry for the hijack...back to the regularly scheduled thread. is there anywhere to read a summary of the SACH info? Last edited by abh5e8; 03-19-2010 at 07:31 PM. |
03-19-2010, 07:29 PM | #7 |
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03-19-2010, 08:09 PM | #8 | |
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I understand that there are a great deal of ladies here who find even the mere concept of spanking so repugnant that it is impossible to see those who advocate it as anything but monsters themselves writing child abuse manuals and I agree with that in regards to the Pearls due to my own experience. I am here to learn more about gentle discipline using logical consequences since that is what type of discipline I was advised to use. |
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03-19-2010, 08:18 PM | #9 |
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Re: Kirk Cameron and Ted Tripp
Thank you for your input, Striving4Grace! I appreciate it.
I'm another who would like more info on Ted Tripp because my parents really like him...
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03-19-2010, 08:18 PM | #10 |
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03-19-2010, 08:20 PM | #11 | |
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I do not know what to say. SACH is HIS book-HIS BOOK advocates what amounts to abuse. I am confused. You go to HIS church and he dislike a book he wrote? Am I missing something? My friends church just did a SACH course and she said it advocated spanking as the removal of sin.
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03-19-2010, 08:22 PM | #13 |
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Re: Kirk Cameron and Ted Tripp
They have written a new book called Instructing a Child's Heart that is, IMO vastly different to SACH. I own it so I can answer pointed questions with direct quotes and page numbers if anyone would like. I'm not yet finished with it, though.
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03-19-2010, 08:27 PM | #14 | |
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BUT, his writing still must stand for themselves. While teaching about relationship in parenting he also teaches two very distrubing concepts - 'spank them 'til they're sweet' (my words, not his), which is the idea that requires a child to fake an emotion pleasing to the parent to avoid more physical pain; and the concept of the 'heart to bottom connection'. If we could change someone's heart by beating them, lets start with the adults - but we can't and that is not how Christ taught us to relate to people. I could almost understand someone who claims a pure behavior modification motivation for spanking over a teaching that proports that pain can change the motivations of a child's heart. If you have a personal relationship with Ted Tripp and would be willing to ask him about the two above concerns, I would love to hear what he has to say. Otherwise, we have to evaluate an author on his words and discern their value or potentially negative consequences on that alone.
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03-19-2010, 08:29 PM | #15 |
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Re: Kirk Cameron and Ted Tripp
What does IACH say about discipline? It is touted as a accompaniment to SACH.
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