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04-05-2011, 12:55 PM | #31 |
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04-05-2011, 01:39 PM | #32 |
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Re: Criminal complaint released in the Lori/Timothy/Andrea Wick abuse scandal
The laws regarding corporal punishment are different for each state. I'm in South Carolina and my husband is in law enforcement, so I have access to the 'code' book. Here, believe it or not, it is illegal to strike a child anywhere but the bottom or with anything but the hand. Enforcement is a different issue. My point is 1) there is a legal foundation for prosecuting this couple depending on the laws of their state and 2) changing the laws does far less than changing the heart. We are in a battle for hearts and souls, not just or even predominately rules.
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04-05-2011, 02:16 PM | #33 |
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Re: Criminal complaint released in the Lori/Timothy/Andrea Wick abuse scandal
This really breaks my heart. Did I read correctly that the dad was quoted as saying 3 months old is an appropriate age to start spanking with a literal rod. This is sick. I have some bad business of abuse from my past but the idea that ANYONE could wrap their mind around that young of using physical infliction of pain to yield a behavior change... I'm ... I'm not sure at all what to think of that. I too had to pray for courage to spank in the name of Christianity. Oddly enough my own faith started to suffer greatly around that time
I also agree that laws don't stop people. But maybe this sort of extreme story *will* make people second guess their approach in any discipline situation.
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04-05-2011, 03:12 PM | #34 |
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Re: Criminal complaint released in the Lori/Timothy/Andrea Wick abuse scandal
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04-05-2011, 03:24 PM | #35 |
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Re: Criminal complaint released in the Lori/Timothy/Andrea Wick abuse scandal
Actually, someone was quoted as saying that 1 and a half months was an appropriate age to use the rod.
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04-05-2011, 04:07 PM | #36 |
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Re: Criminal complaint released in the Lori/Timothy/Andrea Wick abuse scandal
I'm speechless... well, almost. The part that gave me chills was the father admitting to seeing bruises on the little girl's body, but then he would remember "Jesus died the most horrible death." And?! That is just twisted beyond anything I've ever heard.
I pray that little girl will be placed in a home where she will experience true love and grace. BTW, does anyone know if she has been removed from her parents yet? One of the earlier news stories indicated that she and others are still with their parents, but I may have missed something in the past few days.
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04-05-2011, 04:07 PM | #37 |
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Re: Criminal complaint released in the Lori/Timothy/Andrea Wick abuse scandal
Spanking 6 week old babies in the name of God? I can only imagine how that much must sadden and disgust Him.
Isn't it illegal in Canada to spank a child under the age of two? I think that would be a wonderful start here.
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04-05-2011, 05:01 PM | #38 |
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04-05-2011, 05:45 PM | #39 |
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Re: Criminal complaint released in the Lori/Timothy/Andrea Wick abuse scandal
This is
John Caminiti told investigators in November he uses a rod or dowel on his two youngest children at home or at church and the scriptures make it clear his behavior is allowed. He said he does not allow his family to communicate with people outside his religious beliefs and has punished his wife and son by shunning, or confining them to their rooms to have no contact with other family members, until they corrected their disobedience.
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04-05-2011, 06:10 PM | #40 |
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Re: Criminal complaint released in the Lori/Timothy/Andrea Wick abuse scandal
Notice that the wife's status IRT punishment is the same level as the child's.
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04-05-2011, 06:22 PM | #41 |
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Yes. That's what made me . Of course hitting babies does too.
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04-05-2011, 06:42 PM | #42 |
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This is nauseating. I know a girl that spanked her very tiny baby for crying and not being quiet in church. Only I think it was just with her hand, not an object. I know she did it with her first, not sure about her other two. She's "lucky" I suppose no one ever called CPS on her.
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04-05-2011, 11:02 PM | #43 | |
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Re: Criminal complaint released in the Lori/Timothy/Andrea Wick abuse scandal
Thanks for posting that link. My heart feels crushed for those babies. I pray for the softening of their parents' hearts.
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04-06-2011, 03:42 AM | #44 |
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Re: Criminal complaint released in the Lori/Timothy/Andrea Wick abuse scandal
I find this interesting. I'm planning a "position paper" on child discipline abuse and the false teachings which have enabled it to happen. OK if I reference this?
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04-06-2011, 04:47 AM | #45 |
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Re: Criminal complaint released in the Lori/Timothy/Andrea Wick abuse scandal
Sure. You'll see on my About Me page that I believe there is a huge link also between a woman's intuition and her obedience with God. When we severe the lines of what God created us to do, we hurt our relationship with Him for sure.
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