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03-13-2015, 01:38 PM | #46 | |
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Re: NGJ New Addition to To Train Up a Child
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03-13-2015, 01:55 PM | #47 |
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Re: NGJ New Addition to To Train Up a Child
Since this thread is in a public forum, I have linked to it here. I also have a post highlighting MariJo7's excellent rebuttal. If anyone else would like to write something for my blog, just let me know.
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03-13-2015, 02:02 PM | #48 |
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Re: NGJ New Addition to To Train Up a Child
I completely agree with you, ShepherdsWife. People who find the more mainstream philosophies of independence as early as possible off putting will find the attachment the Pearls promote very comfortable. If they are Christians, this is possibly the first place they have found that is safe for them to be both Christian and AP. Add in the very light spanking they say they follow and you just found everything you could possibly ever hope to find. The poison they use is so sweet that by the time you realize you are in trouble, you are very ill. More than once I have thanked God for this place. My daughter is strong willed (though I prefer to think of her as persistent) and autistic, it is not hyperbole to say that she would hate me for all that I did to her and I would have no idea what to do about her rebellion.
Hermana Linda is right about the way they view spanking and training. If you ignore the blows that are just to train, then spanking is almost non existent. I can easily see how you can be sucked into this before you know it. My cousin loves NGJ and posts a lot of memes from them. I liked a couple of them before I realized what they were because the quotes could have come from here. In fact there were several that sounded just like paraphrasing things Arms of Love has written. Others have been the exact same advice I got from other women on GCM.
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03-13-2015, 02:13 PM | #49 |
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Re: NGJ New Addition to To Train Up a Child
Thank you. Yes, he goes on an on about how this training is NOT spanking, it's just training to avoid spanking. Then he weaves a silky web about how it's the loving and gentle thing to do. He also emphasises how important it is to a child's mental health that you never raise your voice or get angry, and how this training will allow that. He speaks in glowing terms or how happy both mother and obedient child will be and in disgusted derision of those who refuse to follow his teachings. He mixes in a lot of down home humor. This concoction is very powerful and very dangerous.
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03-13-2015, 02:47 PM | #50 |
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Re: NGJ New Addition to To Train Up a Child
Exactly. It cannot be overstated how comfortable those people make you feel with training to avoid spanking. Training looks so kind and loving especially if you are coming from a place of abuse. You don't ever spank in anger because they are taught early on how to obey and if they choose to disobey, you spank quickly to avoid being angry and everyone wins.
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03-13-2015, 04:40 PM | #51 | |
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03-13-2015, 05:01 PM | #52 |
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Re: NGJ New Addition to To Train Up a Child
Yeah, his word choices are :shudder . So twisty and ugh.... no. NOPE. Pile OF NOPE!!!!
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03-15-2015, 06:52 AM | #53 |
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Re: NGJ New Addition to To Train Up a Child
It is this cool blooded and calculating way in which they write that really gives me the creeps...
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03-15-2015, 10:52 AM | #54 |
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Re: NGJ New Addition to To Train Up a Child
That is why is sounded so good. It is a calculated and well thought out way of doing things. It sounds so level headed and reasonable that it must be right.
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03-16-2015, 12:39 AM | #55 |
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Re: NGJ New Addition to To Train Up a Child
Yep, and that may also be the reason for that so many DADS fall for it. Men often claim to be so rational...
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03-16-2015, 05:03 AM | #56 |
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Re: NGJ New Addition to To Train Up a Child
I also think that it is because mothers are the ones that completely change their lives before the baby even gets here. We also feel every movement and have crazy cravings because of the baby that men don't have. For my husband our babies are not entirely real until they get here and he does more than see an ultra sound picture.
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03-16-2015, 05:19 AM | #57 | |
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03-16-2015, 06:18 AM | #58 |
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Re: NGJ New Addition to To Train Up a Child
Just popping in to say that DD & I are still working through the article and getting some things written down. I am so happy that DD finds this so astonishing. I feel like I've truly done my job. We have been treating the article with a fair amount of humor & sarcasm...because it's pretty tough subject material. I keep apologizing to DD that clearly she's going to be a juvenile delinquent since we didn't spank her.
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03-24-2015, 04:14 AM | #59 | |
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03-24-2015, 05:28 AM | #60 |
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Re: NGJ New Addition to To Train Up a Child
You're right, I had forgotten about that. I think there was also some condemning of it by Dickens in David Copperfield and possibly Oliver Twist, it was just not as overt. It has been a while since I read those books, so I will have to reread them to be sure.
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