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02-19-2011, 09:27 AM | #121 |
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MommyInTraining - You've had quite the time of it! Wow. I second KatieKind, please don't feel like God is punishing you. I totally understand the struggle with wondering if you should've chosen something that would be easier, I've struggled with that myself since my 5 short married years have been insane. But I'm learning that the struggles are part of the beauty of it and when I feel like things are too tough I go listen to this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gs3fg_WsEg
...... The discussion about VF affiliates has been fascinating to me. After coming out of the crazy I lean toward not being part of anyone who is connected at least by having a VF promoted person as a speaker. So, for example, since True Woman has Voddie Baucham speaking at their conferences I tend to throw out everything else they do. Or since John Piper says MANY things that are way too close to extreme patriarchy for my comfort I don't buy his books or actively seek to learn from him in other areas, even though in other areas he's not that bad. (And that's difficult to do here in Minneapolis, let me tell you! Everyone LOVES him.) That obviously stems from my hurt and isn't exactly logical, because those I've mentioned aren't considered extreme in the mainstream christian community. There isn't any "good" reason to toss out their teachings. But I can't help but wonder what would happen if the Christian community took a stronger, more extreme stance against patriarchy and dominionism? I can't help but wonder if everyone avoided christian teachers who even sort of had a whiff of patriarchy on them what would happen in christian leadership? If those who really didn't believe in patriarchy refused to have anything to do with those leaders who associated with them? I'm not talking about avoiding friends and family who hold to these teachings (although sometimes you might have to) but not supporting anyone who teaches or is viewed as a spiritual authority unless they strongly distance themselves from VF and it's associated bad doctrines? Maybe it's not good to toss the baby out with the bathwater. But when I can still get plenty of good teaching from places that have NOTHING to do with VF I am going to support those people. I will do everything I can to show others how the doctrines of VF are slowly seeping into mainstream teachings. |
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02-19-2011, 01:23 PM | #123 |
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Just catching up on this thread. to Hobby Lobby. At least Michael's carries much of the same stuff, and is closer to me. And it took me a few pages of back-reading to figure out that SAHD meant daughter, not dad. That one had me I thought I grew up around conservative Christians, but I guess they weren't.
My dad is obnoxiously conservative (but not Christian), and he was very happy to support my education. Not that he expects his daughters to work for a living , but being smart is in his book. |
02-19-2011, 02:31 PM | #124 |
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I grew up around that mentality because I was home schooled, and while my folks are very conservative both politically and in their world view, they saw the lies for what they are. I have to be honest and say that I am really amazed that they are still around. I really did think that time would take care of them and they would learn. Clearly I was wrong. If HSLDA is the Home School Legal Defense Association, then there was once a very great and legitimate need for them. My parents started back in the 80's and there was very real threat where we were at that time that if you were caught, your children would be taken from you and placed into foster care. If you joined them for a fairly nominal fee, they would come and defend you and get your kids back into your custody. They are also the ones that got many of the laws changed or overturned so that people are able to home school in peace.
I tend to think that the reason VF and others were able to take hold is they did provide a very valuable service at one point and that increased their power. The other thing is that they have going for them is- to paraphrase MamaKristen- family porn. They have this incredible idealistic and happy picture that is not possible to achieve. Follow them and your family will always be safe and sound and you will always be in the center of God's blessings. M2MR, I am very conservative in my world view and we are fairly traditional in our family life. But what these people are promoting is not healthy. In a word it is dangerous. It has just enough truth to suck you in and by the time you see what has happened it is too late. I don't want you to feel unsafe here, far from it. But I do really want you to test the spirits. Do those things really line up with scripture? Do you have an uneasy and niggling feeling that something is wrong somehow? Again, I don't want you to feel attacked or unsafe. Quite the opposite. But there is a reason that VF and all the rest are so soundly rejected here and maybe it is worth a second prayerful look.
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02-19-2011, 02:41 PM | #125 |
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I had wondered about he HSLDA. Are they affiliated?
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02-19-2011, 02:49 PM | #126 |
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Don't know. After I finished school, I didn't keep track of any of it. And to be honest, my parents really did limit the exposure my brothers and I had to that particular theology as much as possible. My mom's philosophy was there is no reason to learn lies since they change. Just memorize the truth and you'll be fine.
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02-19-2011, 02:56 PM | #127 |
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Yes but M, you were allowed to be smart and pursue your education. Jasmine Baucham is easily one of the smartest young women I have seen in this entire movement. She could easily hold a PhD, and when you read her writings I belive she would love to pursue her education. She is not permitted to do so because she is female, and no other reason whatsoever.
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02-19-2011, 03:03 PM | #128 |
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Does anyone have a quote where MP speaks against VF?
They may not be officially linked, but surely they agree on the whole father-as-center-of-the-universe? |
02-19-2011, 03:06 PM | #129 |
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MP being Michael Pearl? I know at the hs conference I went too I was pretty sure that VF was selling MP's book.
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02-19-2011, 03:17 PM | #130 |
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02-19-2011, 03:20 PM | #131 |
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I do, I'll be right back.
---------- Post added at 02:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:17 PM ---------- Here is one which doesn't need to be broken. http://whitewashedfeminist.wordpress...te-the-pearls/
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02-19-2011, 03:29 PM | #132 |
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Can someone explain how Nancy Campbell is associated with VF? I know she believes contraception is wrong, prefers the KJV, and believes mothers should be SAHMs or WAHMs. Is there something else?
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02-19-2011, 04:14 PM | #133 |
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Nancy Campbell runs Above Rubies, right?
---------- Post added at 03:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:11 PM ---------- Well, she sells their books. ---------- Post added at 03:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:12 PM ---------- Make that, they publish her books.
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02-19-2011, 05:43 PM | #135 | |
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I'm pretty sure that you were addressing the post about the QF book author to me though. I'm keeping him on the list with his connection listed that he wrote that book. That's the only connection, to my knowledge, as well, but it's a very influential book in the movement which is why I listed him WITH that as his only connection. I'll specify that it's his only connection and that the book was not published by VF or anything.
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