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11-27-2010, 01:55 PM | #1 |
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I find it interesting that the Pearls have any credibility. I have CTBHHM and I decided to look up the verses that they are twisting in support of their heresies. For example, there is a story about a woman who thought that she was more spiritual than her dh, she told him what to do and wasn't submitting to him. The Pearls said that her odd behaviors (She was ranting and raving, accusing her dh of being unfaithful with all the young women in the church) were the result of the Lord striking her with madness, per Deuteronomy 28:28. I read a couple of chapters prior to that verse. There is NOTHING in there about being struck w/ madness for not submitting to dh. It talks about the curses upon the children of Israel if they do not follow the law that God gave to Moses.
There is a part where they talk about Bathsheeba, how it was her lack of modesty and discretion which caused David to succumb to lust and commit adultery w/ her and cause the fall of all of David's household. Except that there was no such thing as indoor plumbing for Bathsheeba to bathe herself. And, being up on one's roof was not an anomality. Even now at least in Syria people go to the top of their roofs where it is cooler.
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11-27-2010, 05:16 PM | #2 | |
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11-27-2010, 05:21 PM | #3 | |
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What little I decided to look up in TTAUC made me so . It really, really bothers me that they warp Scripture in such a terrible way.
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11-27-2010, 05:33 PM | #4 |
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My bad, it *was* David who was up on the roof. We have a flat in Syria and from the balcony (we are on the 9th floor), we have quite a view, generally of laundry hanging out to dry in other people's flats. Women tend to put on their scarves even on their own balconies because anyone *could* see them. I wonder if they had separate public baths at that time? I've seen some in Damascus, where they are located though I've never been inside one.
I'll have to post more of their warped verse interpretations...
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11-27-2010, 11:21 PM | #6 | |
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THIS is why God said they didn't want a King!! Unlimited power means no accountability.
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11-28-2010, 05:18 PM | #9 |
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And David's sin didn't stop with Bathsheeba, either. He compuounded his sin by committing other wrongs to cover it up.
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11-29-2010, 01:58 PM | #10 |
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I have a very difficult time reading the text of the David and Bathsheba story as anything other than a rape. He was a king with unlimited power and authority. Saying no to him could have resulted in her being put to death. He was obviously not above murdering her husband.
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11-29-2010, 04:17 PM | #11 |
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It strikes me as odd that even with all that, David was still considered as a man after God's own heart.
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And when Nathan told David that the man was HIM, David wept bitterly. IIRC, David spent time in full mourning to demonstrate his repentance. He was entirely broken before GOd.
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12-01-2010, 09:14 AM | #14 | |
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But.... back to the OP and the Pearls... the idea that a helpless woman bares the responsibility of the situation and is a valid chastisement for any wife is horrific.
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12-02-2010, 10:40 PM | #15 |
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