So, cupgate - Page 3

GlacierLily · 11-11-2015, 08:31 AM

The starbucks logo itself is of a pagan Goddess (Ishtar)so honestly I think it's pretty silly to get upset

I didn't read all the other replies.

mamaKristin · 11-11-2015, 08:48 AM

That viral video (which I won't watch, that guy gets no money from my clicks) is just terrible. To think one guy speaks for all Christians is ridiculous.

It feels like 2015 is the year of outrage for the sake of outrage.

That said, I HAVE seen people responding to the cup issue as being just another way that Christians are being persecuted.

I honestly cannot wrap my head around that conclusion.

Sparrow · 11-11-2015, 08:59 AM

The fact the you (universal) can buy a Starbucks shows how you are NOT PERSECUTED. Syrians being beheaded for their faith is persecution.

Victorious · 11-11-2015, 09:58 AM

The Baptist Teacher editorialized in 1875, “We believe in Christmas — not as a holy day but as a holiday . . . Stripped as it ought to be, of all pretensions of religious sanctity and simply regarded as a social and domestic institution — an occasion of housewarming, and heart-warming and innocent festivity — we welcome its coming with a hearty ‘All Hail.’” If The New York Times republished that editorial as its own, the paper would face public excoriation by modern Baptists.

Copied that from an article last night, then lost the article

. Going to see if I can find it.

---------- Post added at 04:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:55 PM ----------

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/...ing-otherwise/

Here's the article.

domesticzookeeper · 11-11-2015, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mamaKristin

It feels like 2015 is the year of outrage for the sake of outrage.

This thread (and 'Cupgate') brought this article back to my mind: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/c...ial_media.html

believer · 11-12-2015, 08:29 PM

Here is an interesting article about Christian privilege http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/...tian-privileg/

domesticzookeeper · 11-13-2015, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by believer

Here is an interesting article about Christian privilege http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/...tian-privileg/

#33. You can dismiss the idea that identifying with your faith bears certain privileges.

This article is really, really good. And no, not every bullet-point is really as blanket truth as he makes it out to be, but the cohesive whole that they form is true. Good stuff

mommychem · 11-13-2015, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by domesticzookeeper

#33. You can dismiss the idea that identifying with your faith bears certain privileges.

This article is really, really good. And no, not every bullet-point is really as blanket truth as he makes it out to be, but the cohesive whole that they form is true. Good stuff

I always wonder about the cognitive dissonance that my fellow Christians have lately exhibited which allows them to express that they are feeling persecuted but not turn that around to see others who have always been persecuted and reach out in love and turn away from (and encourage others to turn away) from persecuting people of different faiths.

jenny_islander · 11-17-2015, 12:55 AM

Someone observed recently that if one group is used to having their needs, preferences, opinions, and even whims put first, then simply being required to be one of many groups that are having their needs met simultaneously feels like persecution.

Anyway, about the War on the War on Christmas:

Red and green are the secular colors of the secular Holidays, that modern season of shopping, dining, and partying that runs from Thankgiving to New Year's Day. The Christmas colors are white and gold and have been for, oh, about a thousand years.

Christmas starts on December 25. Not November 25. Not October 25. December 25.

And most importantly,

IT ISN'T EVEN ADVENT YET.

Seriously (

), let's talk about the war on Advent! All these people trampling over the noble penitential season with their Christmas carols and their Christmas greetings and their Christmas cards, their Christmas cookies and their Christmas lights and their never-fading plastic Christmas trees! Where's the national Advent wreath, huh? Huh??? Why aren't retail workers blessed (sic) with 50 glurgey renditions of "Veni Emmanuel" by 50 different fading pop artists each and every shopping day? Noooo, it's all "Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree" and "Santa Baby." And have you noticed that the massive conspiracy against everything that is good and true and wholesome and righteous and like I dimly remember from when I was a kid who got the presents while my parents got the hassle (but I repeat myself) has even extended the attempt to wipe out Advent to the last weeks of Ordinary Time? They're playing Christmas music at Wal-Mart right now. The Christmas displays went up before Halloween! It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! So the next time some tired, harassed counter drudge mechanically wishes you Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas, lean over that counter, get right into their space, and hiss, "It's Advent." That'll larn 'em.

graciousmomma · 11-17-2015, 12:58 AM

I wonder if part of the reason for starting the Christmas shopping season earlier and earlier is because of the state of the economy

With the way things are, I think people need to plan ahead, and potentially extend their shopping across several months rather than just one. Financially across the board, things just aren't like they used to be for the average American.

domesticzookeeper · 11-17-2015, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by graciousmomma

I wonder if part of the reason for starting the Christmas shopping season earlier and earlier is because of the state of the economy

With the way things are, I think people need to plan ahead, and potentially extend their shopping across several months rather than just one. Financially across the board, things just aren't like they used to be for the average American.

I think that's a huge reason

ChristmasGirl · 11-17-2015, 09:21 AM

Ironically the starbucks closest to us sells the reusable cups with the word "JOY" on them.

11-11-2015, 08:31 AM	#31
GlacierLily Rose Garden “Overcoming what frightens you the most strengthens you the most.” ― Matshona Dhliwayo Join Date: May 2005 Location: Where the glacier lillies grow ;) Posts: 3,939	Re: So, cupgate The starbucks logo itself is of a pagan Goddess (Ishtar)so honestly I think it's pretty silly to get upset I didn't read all the other replies. __________________ <--- I just like that ice cream icon. It makes me happy Mama to our medical munchkin -3 (ASD,CHD, GDD medically complex & cognitively age 1 ) and super siblings !

11-11-2015, 08:48 AM	#32
mamaKristin Rose Garden parenting better than I garden Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: just here :) Posts: 26,586	Re: So, cupgate That viral video (which I won't watch, that guy gets no money from my clicks) is just terrible. To think one guy speaks for all Christians is ridiculous. It feels like 2015 is the year of outrage for the sake of outrage. That said, I HAVE seen people responding to the cup issue as being just another way that Christians are being persecuted. I honestly cannot wrap my head around that conclusion.

11-11-2015, 09:58 AM	#34
Victorious Rose Garden Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,763	Re: So, cupgate The Baptist Teacher editorialized in 1875, “We believe in Christmas — not as a holy day but as a holiday . . . Stripped as it ought to be, of all pretensions of religious sanctity and simply regarded as a social and domestic institution — an occasion of housewarming, and heart-warming and innocent festivity — we welcome its coming with a hearty ‘All Hail.’” If The New York Times republished that editorial as its own, the paper would face public excoriation by modern Baptists. Copied that from an article last night, then lost the article . Going to see if I can find it. ---------- Post added at 04:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:55 PM ---------- http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/...ing-otherwise/ Here's the article. __________________ Mom to 3 little women and one little man Meg (01/03/07) Jo (11/10/08) Amy (04/26/11)

11-12-2015, 08:29 PM	#36
believer Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,130	Re: So, cupgate Here is an interesting article about Christian privilege http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/...tian-privileg/ __________________ Dana INTJ widow of Big Bear, mom to: B. - 16 y.o. dd J.-19yo ds M.- 25 (MIL to) A - 24 2 white cats, 3 dogs http://becauseisaidsothathswhy.blogspot.com/

11-17-2015, 12:55 AM	#39
jenny_islander Rose Trellis Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,362	Re: So, cupgate Someone observed recently that if one group is used to having their needs, preferences, opinions, and even whims put first, then simply being required to be one of many groups that are having their needs met simultaneously feels like persecution. Anyway, about the War on the War on Christmas: Red and green are the secular colors of the secular Holidays, that modern season of shopping, dining, and partying that runs from Thankgiving to New Year's Day. The Christmas colors are white and gold and have been for, oh, about a thousand years. Christmas starts on December 25. Not November 25. Not October 25. December 25. And most importantly, IT ISN'T EVEN ADVENT YET. Seriously (), let's talk about the war on Advent! All these people trampling over the noble penitential season with their Christmas carols and their Christmas greetings and their Christmas cards, their Christmas cookies and their Christmas lights and their never-fading plastic Christmas trees! Where's the national Advent wreath, huh? Huh??? Why aren't retail workers blessed (sic) with 50 glurgey renditions of "Veni Emmanuel" by 50 different fading pop artists each and every shopping day? Noooo, it's all "Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree" and "Santa Baby." And have you noticed that the massive conspiracy against everything that is good and true and wholesome and righteous and like I dimly remember from when I was a kid who got the presents while my parents got the hassle (but I repeat myself) has even extended the attempt to wipe out Advent to the last weeks of Ordinary Time? They're playing Christmas music at Wal-Mart right now. The Christmas displays went up before Halloween! It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! So the next time some tired, harassed counter drudge mechanically wishes you Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas, lean over that counter, get right into their space, and hiss, "It's Advent." That'll larn 'em. __________________ Wife to John, December 18, 1999 ~ Mother to Sophia, March 13, 2004 ~ Mother to Eva, June 10, 2006 ~ Mother to Matthew, December 21, 2009 ~ Though my father and mother forsake me, the Lord will lift me up.

11-11-2015, 08:59 AM	#33
Sparrow Rose Garden Immerse your soul in love. Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 17,611	Re: So, cupgate The fact the you (universal) can buy a Starbucks shows how you are NOT PERSECUTED. Syrians being beheaded for their faith is persecution. __________________ Manda Mama to: Bear 16.75 Funny and Tender. Larger than life. ENFP Max 14 Affectionate and Spirited. Artist Chickadee 8! She's Sunshine and Song. Born in the caul We have a fur baby. A cat called Charlie

11-17-2015, 12:58 AM	#40
graciousmomma Moderator It'd be nice if you could pull me into town. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,074	Re: So, cupgate I wonder if part of the reason for starting the Christmas shopping season earlier and earlier is because of the state of the economy With the way things are, I think people need to plan ahead, and potentially extend their shopping across several months rather than just one. Financially across the board, things just aren't like they used to be for the average American. __________________ INFJ, Ninja Extraordinaire

11-17-2015, 09:21 AM	#42
ChristmasGirl Rose Garden love~joy~peace Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 9,343	Re: So, cupgate Ironically the starbucks closest to us sells the reusable cups with the word "JOY" on them. __________________ Warmly, Susie ISFJ & DYT 1 & Enneagram 9 ❀married to my sweetie for 26 years ❀mom to Lizzie 24 and Eli 20

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