So, cupgate - Page 2

CelticJourney · 11-10-2015, 08:31 AM

I think this is a great example of people using and reacting to social media without really thinking. This is crazy making and never should have gotten this far.

And I suspect that the same people who contributed to the frenzy would/will be posting the 'Jesus is the reason for the season' stuff and forgetting that Jesus doesn't care about reindeer on coffee cups.

Leslie · 11-10-2015, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JoyGal

I don't know that there are many supporters, are there? Maybe he will enjoy his 15 min and if he decides to go back in, it will be for something positive.

Except that now everybody gets to mock Christians for being so ridiculous, getting worked up about a cup. Even though no Christians (in my online or IRL circle, anyway) were actually upset about it.

Soliloquy · 11-10-2015, 09:52 AM

Starbucks coffee is the equivalent of Dove chocolate. Much better than Hershey's but it's still crappy, mass-produced American chocolate.

. Yuck.

ShiriChayim · 11-10-2015, 01:19 PM

See-this is where our tendency towards moral outrage gets us into trouble. And I'm not actually talking about the people upset about the cup-mostly because I've seen precisely zero of that-I'm talking about all the people upset about the "people" (I put that in quotes because, again...I see none of these "people") who are upset about the cup. We've lost our ability to have any kind of balanced or reason discussion-we just yell about how ridiculous something is, go agree with everyone else who shares our opinion about it, and leave the day feeling morally superior having gone off on social media about this big topic. We're all right, and we all know it.

The phenomenon of needing to be right and thus morally and intellectually superior has gotten so out of control that we have companies and political candidates exploiting and profiting off of it.

We can't even tolerate someone daring to question the original whatever that set us off in the first place.

I cannot tell you how many times I've seen it go down on facebook where someone posts an article and a whole bunch of people "like" and "yeah!" it, and then friend three comes along and says, "Hey is that even what's going on here? Let's examine this!" and that person gets jumped on by their "friend" and all of THEIR friends for daring to not see it in this way. And that's how a narrative evolves-it doesn't matter anymore what actually happened, what happens is the narrative that has been constructed around it which has been tried in the court of public opinion

And I include myself in this

. How often have I jumped into a conclusion and a cause and needed to have my say? How often have I contributed to a narrative? Maybe some of those narratives are true, but the world is far from black and white.

Since when is it only acceptable to think ONE certain way? Since when have we lost all respect for people who think differently than we do? Peace friends! Please, peace and respect! Even for the one person who was upset about Starbucks cups (if he even was that upset-how far gone must we be to have it be a perfectly viable theory that Starbucks paid the guy to do it? Are we that easily manipulated?

). It's okay to disagree, even passionately so. Debate can be a really healthy thing-but it has to be open to the idea that there IS another side to think about, and that we can disagree-even passionately so-respectfully. Once we start yelling about how anyone who could possibly think such a way is so wrong they DESERVE shame and humiliation and to be ostracized and mocked (which is what we are doing every time we go nuts on a topic), we become a mass force of destruction-even when our cause is right and good. No one wins in that environment. Even if we think we do, because we walk away knowing how right we are, and feeling really good about that.

Soliloquy · 11-10-2015, 01:34 PM

I agree. This one wasn't very serious but a few months ago Planned Parenthood something or other was bringing out the nasty in my Christian FB friends. And it was the pro-PP people who were being nasty. Frankly, their flavor of tolerance was pretty intolerant.

I do like "arguing" (playfully) on FB about how awful Starbucks is, though.

I have friends who LOVE Starbucks.

sweetpeasmommy · 11-10-2015, 02:53 PM

Sadly rage against the outrage is all the rage these days.

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HomeWithMyBabies · 11-10-2015, 05:45 PM

I was all "no way Christian people get over it!" at first and then one of my facebook friends asked something along the lines of, "Have any of your facebook friends even posted any indignation over the red cups?" And I thought, huh. No. I know some very "culturally conservative" people and not a one of them seem to care even a little bit.

Obviously someone cared enough to come up with the initial rant and that spread to some degree, but probably not the degree to which the media portrays. The media, and I guess myself in the beginning.

Chaos Coordinator · 11-10-2015, 07:51 PM

All it did was reignite my fiery and expensive addiction to sbux. Womp womp.

Iveyrock · 11-10-2015, 07:51 PM

I did have one friend post endorsing the original video (the anti-cup stance

)

Virginia · 11-10-2015, 08:43 PM

I love Starbucks. It's annoying to see people dissing them all over my Facebook feed

If there were a local coffee place that offered a free drink every dozen I buy, I'd totally switch but...

OK, sorry...back on topic now...

deena · 11-11-2015, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Virginia

I love Starbucks. It's annoying to see people dissing them all over my Facebook feed

If there were a local coffee place that offered a free drink every dozen I buy, I'd totally switch but...

OK, sorry...back on topic now...

So, you have multiple people on your feed complaining about the cups? I'm trying to figure out if this is a real or fabricated phenomenon.

domesticzookeeper · 11-11-2015, 04:47 AM

It's definitely real. Real people with real anger

Multiple people I know have personally vouched that they've seen it on their own Facebook feeds; I personally checked it out when it first started trending as a topic on Facebook - before all of the reaction posts started - and was able to see lots of posts from real folks (until then I'd thought it was a joke, too

)

It's just not that many real people, and at this point they've been more than out-shouted by all of the responses.

believer · 11-11-2015, 06:36 AM

By the way - I came up with the term cupgate and then yesterday I saw that Ellen used that term too. I wish I got paid what she does. Anyway, it looks like a few real people actually did complain and get offended about the cups, but then social media took it up and it became a huge viral rampage about Christians being overly sensitive about not having enough Christmas symbols.

ThreeKids · 11-11-2015, 06:36 AM

Now you know there are going to be copy-cat ranters, just seeing if they can generate the "outrage against the ridiculous reason for outrage" viral response. The crowd will eventually get so jaded by the line being blurred between fake outrage and real outrage, the fun will lose its fervor and it'll have to find another way to feel superior to other people. Kind of like how it's no longer fun to spread alarm over needles in Halloween candy and now when there's a report, people suspect people put it in their own candy for attention.

Sparrow · 11-11-2015, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShiriChayim

We can't even tolerate someone daring to question the original whatever that set us off in the first place.

I cannot tell you how many times I've seen it go down on facebook where someone posts an article and a whole bunch of people "like" and "yeah!" it, and then friend three comes along and says, "Hey is that even what's going on here? Let's examine this!" and that person gets jumped on by their "friend" and all of THEIR friends for daring to not see it in this way. And that's how a narrative evolves-it doesn't matter anymore what actually happened, what happens is the narrative that has been constructed around it which has been tried in the court of public opinion

And I include myself in this

. How often have I jumped into a conclusion and a cause and needed to have my say? How often have I contributed to a narrative? Maybe some of those narratives are true, but the world is far from black and white.

Since when is it only acceptable to think ONE certain way? Since when have we lost all respect for people who think differently than we do? Peace friends! Please, peace and respect! Even for the one person who was upset about Starbucks cups (if he even was that upset-how far gone must we be to have it be a perfectly viable theory that Starbucks paid the guy to do it? Are we that easily manipulated?

). It's okay to disagree, even passionately so. Debate can be a really healthy thing-but it has to be open to the idea that there IS another side to think about, and that we can disagree-even passionately so-respectfully. Once we start yelling about how anyone who could possibly think such a way is so wrong they DESERVE shame and humiliation and to be ostracized and mocked (which is what we are doing every time we go nuts on a topic), we become a mass force of destruction-even when our cause is right and good. No one wins in that environment. Even if we think we do, because we walk away knowing how right we are, and feeling really good about that.

Have you seen the video though? It's rude and obnoxious. It's ridiculous and full of such arrogance. That makes me angry. That HATE that spewed from that man's mouth.

I'm not angry because he doesn't think like me. I'm angry because there are people out there who believe Christians are like this. And he's making money off this, laughing all the way to the bank. It's like he sat around trying to find a way to stir the pot to make a buck.

11-10-2015, 08:31 AM	#16
CelticJourney Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 34,561	Re: So, cupgate I think this is a great example of people using and reacting to social media without really thinking. This is crazy making and never should have gotten this far. And I suspect that the same people who contributed to the frenzy would/will be posting the 'Jesus is the reason for the season' stuff and forgetting that Jesus doesn't care about reindeer on coffee cups. __________________ Elizabeth "Truth without love is divisive and hurtful & love without truth is anemic"--Pastor Estep Arise, cry out in the night...pour out your heart like water in the presence of the Lord; Lift up your hands to him for the lives of your children..; Lamentations 2:19

11-10-2015, 09:52 AM	#18
Soliloquy Rose Garden Why climb a mountain? Because it's there! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Selkirk Mountains Posts: 52,860	Re: So, cupgate Starbucks coffee is the equivalent of Dove chocolate. Much better than Hershey's but it's still crappy, mass-produced American chocolate. . Yuck.

11-10-2015, 01:19 PM	#19
ShiriChayim Rose Garden Rock on!!! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 18,102	Re: So, cupgate See-this is where our tendency towards moral outrage gets us into trouble. And I'm not actually talking about the people upset about the cup-mostly because I've seen precisely zero of that-I'm talking about all the people upset about the "people" (I put that in quotes because, again...I see none of these "people") who are upset about the cup. We've lost our ability to have any kind of balanced or reason discussion-we just yell about how ridiculous something is, go agree with everyone else who shares our opinion about it, and leave the day feeling morally superior having gone off on social media about this big topic. We're all right, and we all know it. The phenomenon of needing to be right and thus morally and intellectually superior has gotten so out of control that we have companies and political candidates exploiting and profiting off of it. We can't even tolerate someone daring to question the original whatever that set us off in the first place. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen it go down on facebook where someone posts an article and a whole bunch of people "like" and "yeah!" it, and then friend three comes along and says, "Hey is that even what's going on here? Let's examine this!" and that person gets jumped on by their "friend" and all of THEIR friends for daring to not see it in this way. And that's how a narrative evolves-it doesn't matter anymore what actually happened, what happens is the narrative that has been constructed around it which has been tried in the court of public opinion And I include myself in this . How often have I jumped into a conclusion and a cause and needed to have my say? How often have I contributed to a narrative? Maybe some of those narratives are true, but the world is far from black and white. Since when is it only acceptable to think ONE certain way? Since when have we lost all respect for people who think differently than we do? Peace friends! Please, peace and respect! Even for the one person who was upset about Starbucks cups (if he even was that upset-how far gone must we be to have it be a perfectly viable theory that Starbucks paid the guy to do it? Are we that easily manipulated? ). It's okay to disagree, even passionately so. Debate can be a really healthy thing-but it has to be open to the idea that there IS another side to think about, and that we can disagree-even passionately so-respectfully. Once we start yelling about how anyone who could possibly think such a way is so wrong they DESERVE shame and humiliation and to be ostracized and mocked (which is what we are doing every time we go nuts on a topic), we become a mass force of destruction-even when our cause is right and good. No one wins in that environment. Even if we think we do, because we walk away knowing how right we are, and feeling really good about that. __________________ ~Heather~ ENFP married to my ENJF hubby gently mothering: ds15yo- the performer, ds14yo- the gamer, ds 12yo- the adventurer, and dd 10yo-the dynamo Missing my little Malachi David and Hannah Danielle, in Jesus' arms Check out my blog "Today you are You, that is truer than true. There is no one alive who is Youer than You." Dr Seuss

11-10-2015, 01:34 PM	#20
Soliloquy Rose Garden Why climb a mountain? Because it's there! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Selkirk Mountains Posts: 52,860	Re: So, cupgate I agree. This one wasn't very serious but a few months ago Planned Parenthood something or other was bringing out the nasty in my Christian FB friends. And it was the pro-PP people who were being nasty. Frankly, their flavor of tolerance was pretty intolerant. I do like "arguing" (playfully) on FB about how awful Starbucks is, though. I have friends who LOVE Starbucks.

11-10-2015, 02:53 PM	#21
sweetpeasmommy Rose Garden Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 30,329	Re: So, cupgate Sadly rage against the outrage is all the rage these days. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ Amy eNFp Wife to ISTJ DH 1997 Mom to one Sweet Boy 10/2004

11-10-2015, 05:45 PM	#22
HomeWithMyBabies Rose Garden Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,062	Re: So, cupgate I was all "no way Christian people get over it!" at first and then one of my facebook friends asked something along the lines of, "Have any of your facebook friends even posted any indignation over the red cups?" And I thought, huh. No. I know some very "culturally conservative" people and not a one of them seem to care even a little bit. Obviously someone cared enough to come up with the initial rant and that spread to some degree, but probably not the degree to which the media portrays. The media, and I guess myself in the beginning.

11-10-2015, 07:51 PM	#23
Chaos Coordinator Rose Garden They need freedom to just be fluffy mashed potatoes and feel their fluffy feelings. Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Up to my earballs in little boys. Posts: 20,259	Re: So, cupgate All it did was reignite my fiery and expensive addiction to sbux. Womp womp. __________________ Joy Progressive Methodist Enfp mama to Sparrow, 10 Zion, 7.5 Baby Gus, 4.5 Preschool teacher. Musician. Timelord. Www.justicemercymayhem.wordpress.com "What you plant in the kingdom will surely grow, and what you grow with love will surely bloom, and the fruit of the spirit will come back to you."

11-10-2015, 07:51 PM	#24
Iveyrock Rose Garden Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 10,923	Re: So, cupgate I did have one friend post endorsing the original video (the anti-cup stance ) __________________ Amber (code name - ALEX): wife to Ray, mommy to Ian 2/17/05, Chava 3/31/07, Max and Lena 5/17/08, and Micah 1/4/09 - and Tanya, newly home from Eastern Europe - 5/20/2006 To... living with, living with, living with - not dying from disease! - Rent "Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness." — Terry Pratchett (Terry Pratchett's Men at Arms)

11-10-2015, 08:43 PM	#25
Virginia Rose Garden Don't mind my faces. They usually don't mean anything. Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 8,644	Re: So, cupgate I love Starbucks. It's annoying to see people dissing them all over my Facebook feed If there were a local coffee place that offered a free drink every dozen I buy, I'd totally switch but... OK, sorry...back on topic now... __________________ Christine WAHM as writer/editor; part-time high school teacher; wife to pharmacist DH since 7.31.2010 Lila in heaven, 8/2015 DD1 "KO" born 8/2017 DD2 GIRL born 1/2020 My Blog- full of opinions and teacher stories

11-11-2015, 04:47 AM	#27
domesticzookeeper Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 10,115	Re: So, cupgate It's definitely real. Real people with real anger Multiple people I know have personally vouched that they've seen it on their own Facebook feeds; I personally checked it out when it first started trending as a topic on Facebook - before all of the reaction posts started - and was able to see lots of posts from real folks (until then I'd thought it was a joke, too ) It's just not that many real people, and at this point they've been more than out-shouted by all of the responses. __________________ emily

11-11-2015, 06:36 AM	#28
believer Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,130	Re: So, cupgate By the way - I came up with the term cupgate and then yesterday I saw that Ellen used that term too. I wish I got paid what she does. Anyway, it looks like a few real people actually did complain and get offended about the cups, but then social media took it up and it became a huge viral rampage about Christians being overly sensitive about not having enough Christmas symbols. __________________ Dana INTJ widow of Big Bear, mom to: B. - 16 y.o. dd J.-19yo ds M.- 25 (MIL to) A - 24 2 white cats, 3 dogs http://becauseisaidsothathswhy.blogspot.com/

11-11-2015, 06:36 AM	#29
ThreeKids Rose Garden Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: .. Posts: 10,737	Re: So, cupgate Now you know there are going to be copy-cat ranters, just seeing if they can generate the "outrage against the ridiculous reason for outrage" viral response. The crowd will eventually get so jaded by the line being blurred between fake outrage and real outrage, the fun will lose its fervor and it'll have to find another way to feel superior to other people. Kind of like how it's no longer fun to spread alarm over needles in Halloween candy and now when there's a report, people suspect people put it in their own candy for attention. __________________ DS (12), DD (10), DD2 (7) And my kids were going to behave perfectly all the time and if they didn't, they'd be Dobsoned, but I was going to Dobson so perfectly that they'd know not to slip up but once or twice because I was going to be sooooooo consistent and awesome and wise.

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