Hand Sanitizer -- yea or nay?

[illinoismommy]

Does it help prevent spread of sickness?

I thought I had recently read an article that said it doesn't work very well and soap is a lot better. But DH says that he heard on the radio that they tested peoples hands after washing with soap and they had all kinds of bacteria on there.

Someone settle this for me.

[Rabbit]

Soap is still better, but when you can't get to the sink, hand sanitizer helps.

[cindergretta]

I use both. I wash, then use sanitizer, then some lotion cuz my skin is *so* dry!

[Rabbit]

Originally Posted by cindergretta

I use both. I wash, then use sanitizer, then some lotion cuz my skin is *so* dry!

Quit using the sanitizer, and you might not need the lotion anymore.

[Six Little Feet]

Originally Posted by cindergretta

I use both. I wash, then use sanitizer, then some lotion cuz my skin is *so* dry!

I sanitize, then wash and then use lotion.

[Serafine]

Washing hands, when done correctly (which most people don't do)...the whole lather up, 15-30 seconds of FRICTION...not just barely rubbing the soap on...is more effective than hand sanitizer.

BUT, I think HS has its place...like when you are in a public place, and have to touch doors or use pens, etc. and don't have access to a sink.

[Soliloquy]

Hand sanitizer kills germs on non-porous surfaces which hands are not, obviously. On hands, it kills some germs but many of the viruses that cause colds and gi illnesses are not affected *at all* by hand sanitizer. It is drying which can cause tiny cracks in the skin, an open doorway for pathogens. Hand sanitizer was initially promoted for health care workers who wash their hands multiples times an hour anyway. If you google "hand sanitizer effectivness" and ignore the commercial sites that are selling it, you'll find lots of mainstream articles stating that it doesn't prevent infection. Anti-bac soaps don't either. Another thing to remember is w/ h/s you have dead pathogens on your skin--they don't get rinsed away. Some pathogens are just as toxic when dead--when they die they spill their cellular contents and can make you sick.

So, obviously I don't think it's worthwhile at all. . I do like wipes to use on shopping carts during flu season--the cart is a non-porous surface and the wiping action will remove much of the crud that's on there.
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[SamRose]

Even in light of Lisa's post, I like having it on hand during this season since it is better than nothing, afaik, when we're in public places touching lots of things everyone touches. I use it to wipe stuff down, too, like the cart or a table.

[Serafine]

If the hand sanitizers main mechanism of action (which all are not) is ethanol, then I disagree with LisaM. Ethanol, by its very nature...and why it is used in aseptic cell culture labs on both porous and non-porous surfaces...lyses cell walls and viral coats(which kills bacteria and viruses) as it evaporates.

That being said...most of the lotion and newer brands of hand sanitizers out are not using ethanol as their main ingredient anymore, so I cannot support that mechanism of action...but what we have on hand for quick moments is ethanol gel...and it absolutely does work to kill germs (porous or non-porous surface).

[Rabbit]

Originally Posted by firefighterwife

If the hand sanitizers main mechanism of action (which all are not) is ethanol, then I disagree with LisaM. Ethanol, by its very nature...and why it is used in aseptic cell culture labs on both porous and non-porous surfaces...lyses cell walls and viral coats(which kills bacteria and viruses) as it evaporates.

For -some- cell types and virus, it does that. But not all. Which is how Simon wound up with c. diff. in the hospital. The only prevention for c. diff. transmission is soap and water handwashing. You have to rinse it off. You cannot kill it with hand sanitizer. The nurses at his hospital do not have convenient access to sinks, so they rely on hand sanitizer. The c. diff. bacterium forms a shell that makes it immune, in a way that fungi more commonly do. And attacking it does make it release toxins, which what makes it so incredibly toxic during/after a round of antibiotics.

[Serafine]

Originally Posted by Rabbit

And attacking it does make it release toxins, which what makes it so incredibly toxic during/after a round of antibiotics.

yes, this is definitely an issue.

however, for those that are saying that hand sanitizer is bad...do you think it is better to just NOT wash for an hour or 2 if there is no sink/soap around...

or do you think that the fact that a hand sanitizer (especially ethanol based) is still better than nothing in those cases?

[kiloyd]

I think proper hand washing is the best thing. But hand sanitizer is at least something when I'm out and no where near a sink.

I work in a hospital and we are told to use hand san unless your hands are visibly soiled....

When soap and water are not available I use alcohol based sanitizer wipes. But I will still wash as soon as soap and water are available even after using sanitizer.

[Soliloquy]

Love Bears All--that's our philosophy as well. Our skin is our largest organ. You can take many Rx drugs through a skin patch now, even BCPs! If those can enter my bloodstream from just a tiny sticker ... yeah.

Afa cloth towels being germy, they're not germier than anything else. I could walk around all day wearing latex gloves, never take my kids to the library or a public playground, change the bed sheets every morning ... where would it end? I change my dish rag, dish towel, and kitchen hand towel every morning (I let them dry out overnight). I change the hand towel in the bathroom 2-3x per week. Your hands are clean by the time you dry them. I rarely use paper towel, I buy maybe 4 rolls a year. My grandmother grew up on a farm. They had handmade soap and washed their hands before meals and bathed once a week. She had 2 dresses--everyday and Sunday. She shared a bed w/ her sisters. They drank water out of a common cup while working. (She was born in 1917 and had the swine flu in 1918, too.). She lived to be 93. She was never vaccinated either until she was quite old and they started urging flu and pneumonia shots for the elderly. Our kids are the first generation in a long time that will have a shorter life expectancy than their parents--in spite of more dollars spent per person on "healthcare" and greater access to healthcare. There's a whole lot to that, of course, but many of these modern "health care" practices are obviousky backfiring. Which ones do more harm than good will differ depending on who you ask, of course, but we work hard to keep chemicals away from our bodies.
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