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Old 04-06-2011, 06:24 AM   #46
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Sure. You'll see on my About Me page that I believe there is a huge link also between a woman's intuition and her obedience with God. When we severe the lines of what God created us to do, we hurt our relationship with Him for sure.
I very, very strongly agree with this! I love the way you worded this. May I share the bolded?
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I'm speechless... well, almost. The part that gave me chills was the father admitting to seeing bruises on the little girl's body, but then he would remember "Jesus died the most horrible death." And?! That is just twisted beyond anything I've ever heard.
This is what sickens me. Jesus died a horrible death, so that we wouldn't have to. Especially so sweet, innocent little children wouldn't have to. When statements like this are made, it twists the sacrifice that was given for us.

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I'm considering writing to our local Christian book store and asking them not to carry Lori Wick books anymore.

I was speaking with my dad about the store, and he is friendly with the owner. Lately my dad has been reading about pacificism and Christianity. The owner has been showing dad books that he has read that are all anti-corporal punishment (not in kids, in general) that he has read and has enjoyed and dad feels this guy shares his views on the subject.

Now that I think about it, the store is really heavy in books that are recommended here. They even carry Sears.
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Reb's blog links to several other news articles on the story that are really illuminating. The initial reports were made by former members who would attend services and noticed the pastor preaching about the "rod" combined with parents removing their children to side rooms and hearing the spankings going on, even the infants.

In one news article the prosecutor is very careful to mention that this is NOT a case of religious freedom, that the Law cannot be broken in the name of God; and I imagine this is why there's such a careful and methodic case being built including the notation of the church's origins and interviewing the former pastor. If these people are going to claim that they are simply being persecuted in the name of their faith, that this other church holds a grudge, or any number of other things the criminal complaint must be clear about who said what and when and why.
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This is what sickens me. Jesus died a horrible death, so that we wouldn't have to. Especially so sweet, innocent little children wouldn't have to. When statements like this are made, it twists the sacrifice that was given for us.

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I'm considering writing to our local Christian book store and asking them not to carry Lori Wick books anymore.

I was speaking with my dad about the store, and he is friendly with the owner. Lately my dad has been reading about pacificism and Christianity. The owner has been showing dad books that he has read that are all anti-corporal punishment (not in kids, in general) that he has read and has enjoyed and dad feels this guy shares his views on the subject.

Now that I think about it, the store is really heavy in books that are recommended here. They even carry Sears.
What a great way to make a difference
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Adding on: this is a copy of ONE of the complaints that have been issued, there are more out there including other parents (elders?) of this church as well as the pastor and his own wife.
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Heather, do you have links for those? I'll post them too
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@ LoraLee and DoulaClara: Absolutely!
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Heather, do you have links for those? I'll post them too
I wish! I have no clue where or how you found those. Let me do a little searching and see what I can come up with.
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yeah, that was the only one I could find leaked online - I'll dig some more after work today, too.
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I just called the courthouse - supposedly they will release them to the public upon request. I'll email today
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http://wcca.wicourts.gov/simpleCaseS...F33895.render6

Is this part of how you access these things?
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That county said they don't make them available online
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Not the criminal complaint but you can search the names of the people who have cases pending against them and get the case numbers and basic details for each person (that is where I went first to check). Reb, I'll be interested to see what you find later on.
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