Thanks, ladies! Our libray doesn't have either book :-(
my DH definitely buys into GBD, but doesn't get that the words & attitudes our children have come from us! dh is a negative person & he is a stay at home dad, so he is the primary example to our children.
I think what I've read and heard of Leman, I really like because he seems to emphasize that we have to change how/what we do to get a different response from our children. You know, if you don't want your kid to yell all the time, don't yell at them all the time!
I may just have to buy the books or I may try to download the last radio broadcast I heard by Dr. Leman.
I wish he'd read heartfelt discipline, but don't think that will work. sigh... I'll keep looking!