[cklewis]

Originally Posted by Knitted_in_the_womb

But quite frankly, I find it hard to believe. And its not just Ezzo that uses it...its just about every punative parenting author. "The world is going to he** in a handbasket, parents are permissive, kids are terrible. Crime is up, and it is massively impacting on our kids."

Yeah -- that sound about right. From what *I* remember, Dobson started to go national in the early 80s. I mean, we'd look in the paper to find where those movies were being shown after church so we could go there. So I guess I'm wondering if Ezzo saw a cash-cow in all the parenting what-not. Just a suspicious, cynical thought. . . .

Originally Posted by Knitted_in_the_womb

BTW, I'm looking for an old copy of Dr. Spock to read to find out what it is that he actually taught--since he is the "poster child" for all things negative in parenting from the punative Christian mindset. If you have one that you would loan out, I'd love to get it. I want to see if he really was all that bad...or is he just the "Dr. Brazelton" of the 1950's?

Oh, I got one! My mom gave it to me. Good ol' mom. Then again -- maybe I found it at a used book store. Anyway, I read it several years back, but tbh, it was pretty Ezzo-ish. By that I mean, it was pretty scheduled and formula-feeding-focused. I'll go get it in a sec and look at it. I would most certainly describe him as the Brazelton of the 50s. Mainstream, skimming the surface of the parenting culture, and writing it all down. I found nothing that would make him sound permissive. My mom said she liked him back then.

Yes, Elizabeth, I did re-read that timeline. It seems that Ezzo is just behind Dobson in getting rolling. I still wonder if he fancied himself THAT influential. I mean, I'm looking for an external motivation to understand Evangelical trends. The 80s were our bliss, you all remember? Reagan was prez. . . . Ah, Reagan. . . .

Thanks for the blog links, TM. Yes, it was your hubby's blog. I remember now. I will go re-read those too. . . .

Originally Posted by fourbzboysmom

In one of my conversations with her, Ann Marie Ezzo told me personally that the beginning was about other people asking them for help/input. BUT I remember Gary saying that the baby stuff was exactly intended as a counterbalance--a fresh breath of common sense to all the rampant AP stuff in CA.

You kinda get that there's something specifically stuck in his craw about it, yk? It's not a thorough presentation of AP, it's not accurate, and it's very superficial. Like they had a neighbor who bugged him or something. . . .

Off to read. Be back. . . .

C