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01-26-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cklewis

I think I remember reading in your blog, TulipMama, that *someone* interpreted those early years as a necessary counterbalance to the over-crunchiness of Cali at the time.

How do YOU all remember it?

C

I've heard that explaination before.

But quite frankly, I find it hard to believe. And its not just Ezzo that uses it...its just about every punative parenting author. "The world is going to he** in a handbasket, parents are permissive, kids are terrible. Crime is up, and it is massively impacting on our kids." Dobson even has a truly incredible "quote" (he doesn't footnote it, so you can't check his source) in "The New Dare to Discipline" about how one advanced placement highschool class in Baltimore was surveyed, and 75% of the students had WITNESSED a murder. Not just known of someone personally that was murdered, but WITNESSED a murder. Come on! I did live a sheltered childhood, but not *that* sheltered, and I don't even know someone personally that was murdered (though I have done extensive research on the murder of a librarian from the college I went to--which did lead to a grand jury re-convening to look at the case nearly 20 years after the event, but she was killed 5 years before I even so much as set foot on the campus for a tour.)

So seriously, I find it hard to believe. Growing up in public schools there were kids who had more permissive parents than others. But permissive parenting was an oddity enough that EVERYONE knew who it was that "got away with everything." Even when I look at TV programs, for the most part parents who are authoritative are depicted as good parents, not permissive parents.

Yes, there is sin in the world. Yes, there are problems in parenting. But I just don't see an overwhelmingly permissive culture that someone existed in the 70's & 80's, and now we have to react against it. But hey, maybe I've got my head in the sand.

BTW, I'm looking for an old copy of Dr. Spock to read to find out what it is that he actually taught--since he is the "poster child" for all things negative in parenting from the punative Christian mindset. If you have one that you would loan out, I'd love to get it. I want to see if he really was all that bad...or is he just the "Dr. Brazelton" of the 1950's?

Jenn

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