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Old 01-15-2012, 02:36 PM   #21
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Default Re: Common sense and intuition

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Originally Posted by Heather Micaela View Post
Everything in my life is weighing facts. Feelings for me are just emotions. And I likely do not understand intuition. TO ME it seems unreliable at best and superstitious at worst. I know for Ns that is not true. But I am not an N at all. Therefore I cannot function as one.
Thank you for your response - I'm really trying to get a handle on what it means to be an S. I will say that to me intuition and feelings are *not* the same, not at all - interrelated, but totally distinct. It really is this *knowing*, that's separate from reason, from emotions, from will.

It seems to me that, at some level, we are all have access to the same input - we just process it differently . Would you say that you use common sense?

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I was told that sort of. That sometimes what we do is counterintuitive BECAUSE our hearts are decietful and we need to be above them. Therefore mysogeny, inequality, and hitting your kids was HIGHER than those lovey-gooey unbelievers with their girl power and "permissiveness" will be proven wrong in the end.
Yep, and there's the abuse inherent in that position .

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Originally Posted by Heather Micaela View Post
Not necessarily. It is also hard to have your kid get a necessary blood test when they are screaming and crying but that does not make it bad. It is hard to hear you child scream when in a carseat and you may wish you could just hold them instead. Doesn't make it wrong. It is even hard to have boundaries and not be permissive at times.

LOTS of things about parenting are hard but equally right. Feelings cannot dictate what is good or bad.
Yep, they are all hard because they involve causing pain to someone we love . That is *not* natural, that goes against the grain. The fact it's even necessary is due to the fall . Causing pain = bad.

To me a key difference is whether the pain is incidental - we'd avoid it if we could - or if the pain is integral to the process - like spanking, the *point* is to cause pain. If you took away the pain, you took away the point. And as causing pain = bad, anything in which deliberately inflicting pain is the point is just not justifiable .

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Originally Posted by Heather Micaela View Post
Yes both our reason and our instincts can be wrong that is why iIn the church I was taugh to trust the Bible - not reason nor instinct. I still think that holds some weight so long as the bible even speacks on the issue. But , it took me a while to realize their interpretation may be wrong, or at least based on a scripture that is vague, and that some things are not addressed at all and just Christian culture.


For the rest, I am not going to stop using reason to guide me because I have almost NO intution. None. If I base my life on that I will stand still with a blank look for eternity What I have to do is keep testing my sources and retesting to show it was not a fluke. Basically the scientific method.
The thing with rely on nothing but the Bible, is that we have to get that input into us *somehow* - and all paths are flawed . Reason is often nominated (explicitly or implicitly) as being some more sanctified than the rest, but there's no Biblical reason to justify it .

Anyway, I don't see intuition as an alternative to reason; intuition more synthesizes the input from reason and emotions .
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