I think I would have two separate conversations. Would the 10 year old respond to a more logical approach like law and order style? Like if you are speeding, you get a traffic ticket and points on your license. You don’t get 10 lashes kwim? Someone might have a different opinion of what kind of punishment should be given, but it’s not really up to them.
As the parent, it’s your job to enforce the laws in your family and by playing vigilante he’s trying to operate outside the law.
With the 7, I have a child who enjoys annoying others or getting attention in negative ways. Maybe he doesn’t enjoy it but it seems that way to me. It’s possible he just doesn’t know intuitively how to get attention in a more positive way unless I expressly instruct him. Anyway, I have had to be really direct that when you annoy people on purpose, eventually they are going to snap. Everyone has a limit and if you are pushing that limit, you aren’t exactly innocent yk?
I can’t really give advice other than those are the talks I would be having with my kid if he was in either of their shoes.
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