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Here is some info i have saved regarding probiotics/acidophilus...

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I compiled this list for a friend and thought it might be good here.

IMO, although very common these days the following are not "normal" for infants and toddlers and are evidence the need for a close look at dietary/health issues:

Reflux
Chronic Ear Infections
Asthma
Diarrhea
Eczema
Hives
Profound Food allergies of all types--- even to the extent of being deadly
Constant runny nose
Constant throwing up
Persistant cough
Poor appetite
Low growth- weight gain (except in cases where genetic predisposition dictates)

http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/65/9/3763

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/73/2/444S

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...8&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/69/5/1035S

These are pdf files:

http://www.univ-lille1.fr/lea/Menu_...rcenier_CPD.pdf

http://www.slpk.sk/eldo/actafz/golian.pdf

http://www.nutricology.com/proddesc...Sheet050103.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5&dopt=Abstract

http://www.victusinc.com/Enterales/.../Probiotics.htm

http://www.merc-buyers.com/FS-microorganisms.htm

natha's "eczema" thread:

http://mothering.com/discussions/sh...&threadid=95863

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Choosing a *High Quality* Probiotics Suppliment
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It is extremely important to choose carefully when selecting
a probiotics suppliment. Most of the suppliments of the market
run anywhere from worthless to slightly useful. Spending the
extra time looking for the right product and spending a little extra
money purchasing the right product will pay off in the long run.
You may be fooling yourself if you rely on the "conscientiousness"
of your favorite natural food store or manufacturer to choose a
good probiotic products for you.

Below are a few things to look for or to avoid in a probiotics
suppliment:

a. Number of Organisms
-------------------
Product should say on the label a guarantee of the number of
viable organisms in the product. It should be at least 1
billion organisms per gram for a therapeutic dosage. The
label should ideally give a guarantee of the number of viable
organisms at the expiration date since it will be less than
the manufacture date.

Manufacturers should have an *independant* lab analyze their
product for potency on a regular basis. They should be able
to send you a copy of the lab results upon request.

b. Type of Organisms
-----------------
i. Single-strain products are strongly prefered because in
multiple-strain products, one strain can begin to dominate
during storage leaving little viable L. acidophilus or B.
bifidum. It is better to take two or three single-strain
products than one multi-strain product (which may have little
viable organisms in it at consumption time). For
example, strains of L. acidophilus and L. bulgaricus should
not be put together as the L. bulgaricus would take over. Some
double-strain products with both L. acidophilus and B. bifidum
such as those made by Natren (see below) are okay to use.

ii. The most important types of bacteria to take *therapeutically*
are:

- L. acidophillus
- B. bifidum
- L. bulgaricus
- S. thermophilus

L. bulgaricus and S. thermophilus are very useful for
encouraging the growth of B. bifidum in the intestines.

I believe that there are a few others that would be very
helpful such as some of the strains found in products like
miso, but you won't find such strains in products on the
market (at least I don't think so).

iii. The *strain* of the type of bacteria is extremely
important. The strain must be able to:

- survive the stomach digestive acids and the bile acids.
- attach itself to the intestinal wall.
- accepted by the immune system.
- produce substances such as natural antibiotics that
help destroy significant numbers of pathenogenic
organisms.

INT 9, DDS-1, and NAS strains of L. acidophilus are all
good strains to use.

The Malyoth strain of B. Bifidum is an example of good
strain.

The LB-51 strain of L. bulgaricus is an example of good
strain.

Many labels do not list the strains of the bacteria. You
may have to check with the manufacturer.

c. Type of Processing
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It is very important that the product *not* have been processed
using centrifuging. Centrifuging has the following
detrimental effects on a probiotics product:

1. Damages colonies
----------------
The g-forces produced by centrifuging damages the
acidophilus colonies causing growth after implantation to
be poor. A healthy acidophilus colony may have 20 organisms
which tends to have a much greater ability to implant and
grow. Centrifuging breaks these colonies in much smaller
bits. This raises the *apparent* number of viable organisms,
but the implantation and growth of these organisms in the
human body will be reduced tremendously.

2. Damages Cell
------------
Centrifuging damages the cell walls of the bacteria
reducing its viability.

3. Supernatant Lost
----------------
The Supernatant is the growth medium of the probiotics
culture. During the culturing process, the bacteria
secretes or synthesizes chemicals which are very powerful
for inhibiting pathenogenic bacteria and fungus (e.g.,
lactic acid, hydrogen peroxide, and antibiotic-like
substances -- acidophilin, for example). The Supernatant
also protects the probiotic bacteria from stomach acids
and provides food for the bacteria to help them flourish
once they reach their destination in the intestines.
Centrifuging removes the Supernatant from the bacteria.

If the product does not say on the label that it is
uncentrifuged, you need to get a guarantee from the manufacturer
that this is the case. Since most companies do not manufacture
their own probiotic suppliments (they just put their label on
the bottle), you may have to do a little detective work to track
down the manufacturer.

Some products that are not centrifuged are ultra-filtrated.
Ultra-filtration does not damage the product as much as
centrifuging, but it does remove the Supernatant from the
bacteria.

Finally, some manufacturers add chemicals and/or hormones to
stimulate the growth of the bacteria. Since they are processing
agents, they do not have to be listed on the label. Please
check with the manufacturer to be certain that they do not add
these chemicals to their product.

d. Base of Product
---------------
A milk base is an ideal base for the organisms in a probiotics
suppliment. Since this is such a small part of the diet, I believe
it is okay to use a milk base *if* you do not have a negative
reaction from the product. If a milk base is used it is preferable
that the product contain the DDS-1 strain of L. acidophilus which
produces plenty of lactose to help digestion of the dairy.

It is preferable to find a quality product that has a
dairy-free base. It is also preferable that a non-dairy base
be one that provides an adequate diet for the acidophilus so
that they remain viable. A rice base is one example.

e. Form
----
Ideally the product should be in powdered form. If you use
powdered form, it is crucial that you keep the jar sealed and
in the refrigerator when not in use and that you only touch the
powder with a *clean* spoon so as not to damage the product.

The second best choice is encapsulated powder. The number of
viable organisms go down quicker when encapsulated, especially
if the encapsulation process is not done correctly.

Avoid liquid products.

f. Packaging
---------
The product should be packaged in glass to avoid condensation
inside the container. Amber (dark) colored glass should be used
to keep the light from destroying the product. Avoid plastic
containers if possible.

g. Storage
-------
The product should always be refrigerated. *Some* products are
viable without refrigeration for a short period of time (e.g., a
few weeks), but it is a good idea to refrigerate once
purchased.

Check with the retailer you purchase from to be certain that
they are carefully refrigerating the probiotics product and not
turning off or turning down their cooler at night.

Using a *High Quality* Probiotics Suppliment
--------------------------------------------

a. Dosage
------

Therapeutic Dosage
------------------
Therapeutic dosage should be taken when starting your healing
program, after a cleanse or enema/colonic or after a chemical
exposure. You can stay on therapeutic dosage for up to ten
days unless directed overwise by your healthcare professional.
Then gradually work your way down to maintenance dosage (see
below).

You may find that the therapeutic dosage of probiotics
suggested below is expensive if you use a quality product.
Please bear in mind that the therapeutic dosage is temporary
and that it is still much cheaper than most prescriptions.

L. acidophilus -- 5 to 10 grams (2.5 to 5 level teaspoonsful)
of powder *total* per day. These should be divided evenly and
taken half way between meals.

B. bifidum -- 5 to 10 grams (2.5 to 5 level teaspoonsful)
of powder *total* per day. These should be divided evenly and
taken half way between meals.

L. bulgaricus (if taken) -- 3 to 6 grams (1.5 to 3
teaspoonsful) taken with each meal (3 times daily).

Maintenance Dosage
------------------
You can stay on the maintenance dosage indefinately, but I
recommend gradually working away from regular use of
probiotic suppliments and replacing it with the use of
fermented foods and other foods naturally building the health
of the bacteria in your intestines. Of course, you should
only do this when you have healed enough to slowly add small,
regular amount of fermented foods to your diet (e.g., miso).

L. acidophilus -- 1 gram (0.5 level teaspoonsful)
of powder *total* per day. These should be divided evenly and
taken half way between meals.

B. bifidum -- 4 grams (2 level teaspoonsful)
of powder *total* per day. These should be divided evenly and
taken half way between meals.

L. bulgaricus (if taken) -- 1 gram (0.5 teaspoonsful) taken
with each meal (3 times daily).

The ratio of B. bifidum to L. acidophilus should be
approximately 4:1 if you follow the Natural Foods Diet
described in the "Food and Nutrition" chapter. If you eat
more meat, take a higher proportion of L. acidophilus.

b. Method of Administration
------------------------
The probiotics suppliments should be taken with spring water
*only* (except in the case of L. bulgaricus which is taken
with or after meals as described above). Do not take with
juice or broth as this can stimulate more stomach acids to be
released leading to fewer bacteria surviving in the stomach.

c. What To Expect
--------------
During the first few days of supplimentation, and possibly
through the entire ten days of therapeutic dosing, you may
experience cleansing symtpoms. (See "Detoxification" chapter
for more detail on cleansing symtoms.) This is due to the
dying off of yeast overgrowth (especially if you are taking
products to combat yeast -- garlic, caprylic acid, Pau d'Arco,
etc.) and dying off of detrimental bacteria. Symptoms such
as gas, bloating, IBS, diarrhea are not uncommon. Be certain
to consume warming, healthy foods and beverages when possible.

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Resources
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Quality Probiotics Suppliments
------------------------------
Please note that you may experience more cleansing symptoms when
using a high quality probiotic suppliment. This is due to the
fact that the beneficial bacteria and the supernatant are killing
off pathenogenic bacteria and fungus. When that happens,
xenobiotics (organic toxins) are release which can cause these
reactions. For most people these reactions should subside after
a week.

a. Natren, Inc.
10935 Camarillo Street
North Hollywood, CA 91602
(800) 992-3323 or (800) 992-9393

Nutri (Imports & Exports) Ltd.
Buxton Road, New Mills
Stockport, Cheshire
SK12 3JU
0663-742753

Natren products are not centrifuged or ultra-filtrated. The
probiotic organisms are therefore still bound with the
supernatant medium which strengthen the product's ability to
1) survive stomach acids, and 2) inhibit disease-causing
bacteria. The products have no yeasts, MSG, additives, fillers,
or any other unnatural products added.

The company is owned by Natasha Trenev, coauthor of the
"Probiotics" book. A lot of care was put into the strain
selection for their product line. I strongly recommend
Natren probiotics products.

Products include:

*Bio-Nate acidophilus (NAS Strain)
*Bifido-Nate B. bifidum (Malyoth Strain)
*Digesta-Lac (LB-51 strain of L. Bulgaricus)
Megadophilus
Bifido Factor/Life Start Two
Life Start
D.F.A. Vegetarian Formula

*Products I recommend for probiotics program (see below).

b. BioCare Limited UK
54 Northfield Road
Kings Norton
Birmingham, B30 1JH
United Kingdom
021 433-3727 (country code from U.S. is 44)

Products include:

Vegidophilus (INT-9 L. acidophilus and B. bifidum)
*INT-9 L. acidophilus (with fructooligosaccharides)
*B. bifidum
B. infantis (for infants)
*L. bulgaricus

*Products I recommend for probiotics program (see below).

An excellant line of products which I highly recommend. These
products are made by practitioners and it is obvious that they
have taken great pains to use the best strains and best
processing techniques available. They have a vegan product
for those of you who are vegetarian. They sell mail order to
the U.S.

c. Other Products
--------------

Most other probiotics products on the market have one or
more of the following characteristics:

i. Centrifuged which artificially raises the level of
"viable" organisms but damages the product.

ii. Mixture of several competing strains which often leads
to the destruction of acidophilus strain even in
free-dried products.

iii. Added fillers and additives which do not appear on the
label.

iv. Poor strain selection. This is crucial for bacteria
adhesion.

v. Improper storage.

Books
-----
"Probiotics"
by Leon Chaitow, N.D., D.O. and Natasha Trenev
Thorsons Publishing Group, Northamptonshire England, c1990
ISBN 0-7225-1919-2
An excellant book. Leon Chaitow is the editor of the
"International Journal of Alternative & Complementary Medicine"
and Natasha Trenev has over 25 years of experience studying
probiotics. Jeremija Lj. Rasic, Ph.D., a researcher in the
field of probiotics contributes expertise to the book.
This book should is *required* reading by anyone interested in
healing serious, chronic immune system-related disorders.

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Thanks for the great info! :hearts

I learned about probiotics when Nemo was an infant, and was amazed to discover that they are safe even for infants! When he was a baby, I would either take an adult dose for him to recieve through my milk. During toddlerhood, I mixed half of an adult capsule into his food or a bit of juice. Once he started being safely able to chew, I started him on Rhino Chewable Acidophilus & FOS (a plant-based carbohydrate that encourages beneficial bacterial growth in the intestines), which he still loves and gets anytime he's on meds, travels, is sick, or exposed to someone sick. I love that they have 100% RDA of Vita C (for children) in them, too! :tu

http://www.findsupplements.com/index...OD&ProdID=1416

Edited to update linkie.

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Thanks kym for that info too!! I need to find something my kids will eat. The baby is easy..but the older kids are more complicated.

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Now I am even more overwhelmed! I thought I was doing good by giving Gabe a chewbale probiotic tablet daily. It does have over 1 billion organisms, but is says it is mult-strained. Is that bad? It is called AcidophiKidz by Nature's Path. Is that a good one or should I find another brand? What is a good brand for toddlers?

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Personally I like Nature's Path products. :) The fave probiotic in our house is Rhino Chewable Acidophilus with FOS (link in my post above), tho. I prefer to reserve probiotics for times of illness/stress/travel/medications, rather than giving on a daily basis. But you may have other reasons for giving them daily. :)

I think you're doing fine, mama. :hug2

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Well I should say I "offer" them on a daily basis but he does not always take them! :grin The bottle recommends a daily tablet. We live in Mexico and parasites can tend to be common-not sure if probiotics kill parasites but I figure they are helping keep his intenstines healthy. Who makes the Rhino kind? Nevermind, you posted a link, I will check it out. Thanks again!

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How much can I expect to pay to start a probiotic regimen in our household? There's 2 adults and our toddler . . . I don't want to buy the cheap stuff if it's useless. Also, how necessary do you think probiotic supplements are for a toddler is she's not having any issues? She doesn't have allergies, skin problems, GI problems. She's still BFing, so would she benefit if I took them?

thanks everyone!

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As for cost I am not sure...it really depends what you take...or if you chose to make kefir or other fermented foods..which are high in probiotics.
As for your dd...I am sure she could benefit even though she doesn't appear to have any problems. You could just start with yourself and see how it goes.

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Okay, so now I'm curious about this probiotics stuff :D...

I'm going to be on extended antibiotics (anti-malarials). Is there any point in starting with probiotics, or do I just need to wait until after I'm done taking my meds?

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I would start now to protect your GI tract from the anti-bacterials. You're going to be traveling, right? Capsules would probably be easiest for you. I'm not as familiar w/ the capsules as some of the other peopel here, so I'll let them advise you.

As someone who's been battling yeast for 11 months, I really wish I could turn back the clock and take probiotics with the antibiotics that I took last summer for a UTI . . . :shrug

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you can take them with your meds but take them at different times....

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Good information :tu You are talking about great health for our systems.
Thanks
We live in Mexico and parasites can tend to be common-not sure if probiotics kill parasites but I figure they are helping keep his intenstines healthy.
Nancymom,
I know two people that got the parasites from Mexico and they had some :eek serious problems.
How blessed your family is that you are learning to take care of them :tu

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My son was helped by HSOS - homeostatic soil organisms. Made by Garden of Life, I think the company is called.

However, some health experts say that you ideally should not take any kind of probiotics for a variety of reasons, one of which is that every individual has his own peculiar ratio of intestinal bacteria based on his/her diet. They recommend that no matter how sick our guts may be, it is much better to feed whatever few bacteria are there with substances that encourage the quick proliferation of these few healthy bacteria. A common supplement for this purpose is F.O.S. made from chicory root or dahlia. One other objection to supplementation with any kind of probiotics is that it can take an awfully long time for the probiotics to actually implant themselves in the lining of your guts and establish themselves.

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hmmm......that sounds like pharma companies talking to me.....I don't believe that probiotics react the same in every body...but adapt to it. I take the Garden of Life ones....They are good.

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G'mornin', Cobluegirl. The info on how probiotics work (or not) came from (the late) Robert Gray, a real expert on bowel function and cleanout of old wastes that have been there since Day 1. He wrote an exhaustive book on this topic. He formulated a bowel programme made by Holistic Horizons. Believe me, friends, this formula does everything it says it will. (No, I'm not selling this or anything...just was very impressed.) He was the one who stated that probiotics, not being matched to your particular strains, take forever to implant. And even the Garden of Life literature says you should take their product for a long time (they are admitting this process is s-l-o-w). And the other probiotic companies don't even talk at all about implantation, as far as I can see, and please correct me if I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

hmmm did you mean to say that GOL says NOT to take it for a long period?? What is the title of the book? I would be interested in reading it.

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Garden of Life recommends that you take their probiotic product for a long time. They don't come out and say it, but that is because it takes so long for probiotics to implant (to make a home in your gut once and for all).

The book by Robert Gray is entitled The Colon Health Handbook and is about 68 pages, if I remember correctly.

Nevertheless and notwithstanding any of the above (sounds like a lawyer, right) the Garden of Life product is a very, very good type of probiotic indeed.

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This is all new to me, but DH has some intestinal problems (pain, gas, etc). I am sure he would love to know I just said that. :lol

Anyway, can anyone recommend a specific brand and a place to get some. We are in AZ and I wonder if Sprouts or Henrys (both are farmer market type health food stores) or maybe Whole Foods. I don't know. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks.

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Culturelle is one of the best and is available at most drug stores. Be sure to store it in your fridge. :tu

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We're learning more about keeping bowels cleansed and healthy, too. I'm totally new to all this, but dh has used some bowel cleansing products made by herbalist Dr. Richard Schultz. I won't provide a link b/c he does sell products and his site and published materials are peppered with "colorful" language here and there. But he seems very knowlegeable and gung ho about healthy bowels. It's interesting stuff. You can just google his name and you'll find his website.

I have never used probiotics.. still assimlilating all these different "natual living" ideas. :)

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Good to know about the ear infections I did not know that. I have been giving acidophilus for bms and did when she was on antibiotics for ear infection. Although she only seems to get bm problems the first couple days on them(only been on 3 times twice was ear infections). Next time I think I will try acidophilus before rushing in to see dr. for antibiotics.

I've always been a big yogurt eater and now that I think about it they seemed to disappear on own, I did get ear infections chronicly since I was a child. They have lessened since I stopped drinking a lot of milk I'd say in junior high. I know they have linked ear infections to cows milk.

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There are lots of ways to treat EI's instead of antibiotics and if she is getting them lots..that is a good indicator of an allergy...could be milk...could be something else.

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Regarding taking probiotics for a long time so they can take root - any indication of how long? :shrug

I took some for a few weeks, but its obviously not been long enough as I'm back to how I was before - bloating, wind, sugar/carb cravings, pimples and (bizarrely, black bags under my eyes). I'd had dental surgery a few months ago and took 2 courses of antibiotics afterwards, one of which was Flagyl - Metronidazole - which I know kills off "intestinal life forms" ( :monster lol) as it is also prescribed for giardia and colitis (amongst other things). Wish I was back to my old self, as I feel like I need to be turned inside out and hosed down! :O

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Originally Posted by PurpleButterfly

Culturelle is one of the best and is available at most drug stores. Be sure to store it in your fridge. :tu

Here's a second vote for Culturelle. I swear by that stuff!

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Sometimes all this info is a bit overwhelming. I need to look into this some more, my ds has allergies and I would like to be doing everything I can for him, but sometimes I feel like I get obsessive about his health. I have started to learn about health, but there is just so much to learn, my head is swimming!

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Originally Posted by JJsMom

yeah I feel this way too...and it doesnt' get any easier the more you learn...then everyone changes their opinions...and it starts all over again.. critical thinking enters the picture..lol

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I am trying to understand all of this too. If I take acidophilus or eat yogurt with live cultures, you are saying that helps ear infections, etc. and will replace the need for antibiotics?

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well not exactly but the acidophilus fills the holes in the lining of your gut...if they aren't filled..that is where bugs/sickness enters the pictures. If your gut is in great health you are less likely to get sick.

As for ear infections...garlic oil or mullien oil in the ear is great for healing EI's. Also eating and taking things that help keep the rest of you health prevents your body from contracting the bug that give you ear infections...

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Ok, that helps. You said that you don't use them on a daily basis, I believe. Or maybe that was Kym. My problem is that during the week if I am working outside of the home and ds has to be in daycare, would it help us avoid getting sick as often as we otherwise would do you think?

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use probiotics? I try to take them daily. I don't think you can OD on them...but as stated above somewhere...there is some that say you can have too much...I think it would certianly help along with vit c.

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Hi, thanks for the info about probiotics. My chiro has been telling me to use them with my boys who have allergies. I have discussed them with a local supplements salesperson, but not purchased any because I'm still a bit confused and my kids are already using several supplements plus their asthma meds and my dh is worried they will become "pill dependent." I did not check out everything you posted yet. I was wondering if you listed any info about ingesting more quantities of food with these organisms v. ingesting a supplement. I have recently started using MISO but haven't always had much lick (LOL typo) incorporating it into my usual recipes. I try to serve yogurt often as well.

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the biggest thing I can think of is that you can't consume enough yogurt or kefir and get the same about of bacteria as you can in a pill. Now that doesn't mean that the food isn't a good thing. It also depends upon which yogurt you buy....

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Originally Posted by cobluegirl

Thanks! I noticed somewhere in this thread that the treatment of the supplement changed its usefulness. Does that apply to cooking as well? Like if you use your yogurt/kefir/miso in a cooked dish, would that kill or change the useful organisms?

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I have no idea..but I would think so....most things lose properties when cooked....

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This thread has been inspiring. I've seen a few of you mention Garden of Life products. Has anyone actually read The Makers Diet? We love it, it makes complete sene (to us) and we were following it pretty good for a while. But have slipped back to old ways since me getting pg (the 1st trimester is a killer for any eat habit..lol), and moving. But now that we are settled and dd is sick I'm much mroe motivated. We never purchased anything outside the regualr vitamins, but we were very interested in adding probiotics, green food supplements, and esential oils as the book talks about to our daily habits. I'll have to pick my book up again and read it.

As for ear infections and any infections, cows milk (any dairy) is an enemy since it thickens secretions and can make things worse. Whenever any of us gets sick we cut off dairy. Same with refined sugars and most carbs. I was giving dd only goats milk yogurt, but she had some of my cows milk yogurt one day and won't go back. lol, i can't blame her. But we do only give he goats milk for drinking if she wants milk, or to mix in her foods. We gave her goats milk products since day one of introducing any other type of milk besides breastmilk. I was usually buyng goat cheese as well, but they are usually soft and that's tough to pack verses shoving a cheese stick into my purse. lol

Well, again, thanks for the boost ladies! i'm very excited now to return to our Makers Diet. :) (For those wondering, it's not a diet like eat onyl ths amount and such and suhc, to lose weight. It's about being healthy off GOd's plan for how we are to eat, and if you want to do it to lose weight,t hen it will just happen if you are eating healthy (and exercsing).)

Amy
'Kambria 1/14/04
Baby #2 7/20/06

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You can do a search in this board and you may find a few Maker's Diet threads..hehe...There are a few of us that have read it...and even some who have done it. I just finished Ruben's new book..is a good read too.

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My 12 mo old just started her first round of antibiotics a few days ago. She is still bfing and I have some Jarro-dophilus pills in the fridge(about a yr old). Could I take them and expect her to benefit or could I break open the capsule on her tongue or with a sip of water. She is fighting me every step of trying to get the antibiotic in her(not that I blame her it's bubblegum flavor YUCK). But I don't relish the thought of trying to get something else in her that she might hate. What about just plain yogurt? Is acidophillus enough? I really want to avoid a yeast problem if I can at all! Any advice would be appreciated.

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Template Usage: (1)ad_footer_end (1)ad_footer_start (1)ad_header_end (1)ad_header_logo (1)ad_navbar_below (7)bbcode_quote_printable (1)cyb_flashimagebanners (1)footer (1)gobutton (1)header (1)headinclude (19)option (1)pagenav (1)pagenav_curpage (1)pagenav_pagelink (1)post_groan_navbar_search (1)post_thanks_navbar_search (1)printthread (40)printthreadbit (1)spacer_close (1)spacer_open Phrase Groups Available: global postbit showthread	Included Files: ./printthread.php ./global.php ./includes/init.php ./includes/class_core.php ./includes/config.php ./includes/functions.php ./includes/class_hook.php ./includes/functions_notice.php ./mobiquo/smartbanner.php ./includes/class_bbcode_alt.php ./includes/class_bbcode.php ./includes/functions_bigthree.php Hooks Called: init_startup cache_permissions fetch_threadinfo_query fetch_threadinfo fetch_foruminfo style_fetch cache_templates global_start parse_templates fetch_musername notices_check_start global_setup_complete printthread_start pagenav_page pagenav_complete bbcode_fetch_tags bbcode_create bbcode_parse_start bbcode_parse_complete_precache bbcode_parse_complete printthread_post printthread_complete
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