My dd will never take "advanced math"
 

Honestly I have doubts she'll complete an Algebra course before she is 18..
She has EXTREME math anxiety so honestly its really hard even to test her. Right now she is taking what is essentially a remedial HS math. Its going back to basics taught at a 5th grade level. Were hoping that she can build up confidence as well as maybe filling in holes or gaps in her Journey.
Maybe she will and then suddenly soar ahead but I'm not holding my breath. So how does a "diploma" work in cases like this? I'm hoping maybe to get her up to or through a pre Algebra level, she also at some point take a Finance course..
Her week math skills will also affect her sciences. SHE has passed a Physical Science course and it taking Biology but then what? I dont think she could handle like a Chemistry with her math skills.

We are in Arizona if it matters any.

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My dd did not even take Algebra in high school. All practical maths and she has done just fine without the higher ones. At age 19 was made a manager at her place of employment and involves having to use math for sure - ordering and balancing the cash "drawer" when she closes . She is also stellar at her personal banking.

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That basic math sounds very wise and wanted to add that mine did fine with science . Tho not a big science person either she found it interesting . We did not do a super high level of chemistry. She learned the basic elements and while she was doing chemistry I would find interesting chemistry facts and trivia and print them out and she enjoyed those. She has to be able to relate math to life. Hope this encourages you! besides the management job at a gourmet deli, she is a gifted photographer and videographer and gets paid very well for that. Would help dd to know and pursue her gifts and passions

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In the state of Vermont kids can graduate high school neaver having taken algebra, only a consumer math course.

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We used some of the Eveyday Math skils workbooks here https://www.nwtliteracy.ca/resources...adult-literacy

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I've been interested to see how a friend of my dd's in public school is taking remedial math classes along with honors history and English (though they don't use the word remedial these days). She was not successful in elementary school math, so when she started middle school she was tracked into the lower math classes. She got a grade of 100 in math last year, so she is succeeding and learning, but I don't know if she'll ever do higher math. I do know she'll graduate and be set to apply for college. This is the math she's doing ..https://ncvps.org/nc-math-1-intervention (I think they must mean "bridge" instead of "barrier" in the first sentence.)

All that to say, if public schools can accommodate struggling learners like this, so can you, and without guilt or worry.

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My other comment on this that does seem contradictory to my earlyer one is this. I hated math bearly scraped by all though highschool, I was in honors classes but was bearly making it and hated every minute. and then I got to calculus,and everything changed. Suddenly it made sense I could do that ( I still couldn't factor equations and would make all sorts of mistakes in the algribra) but Cal was fun. When I got to collage I got to take theoretical dirfrental equations and statistics and they were a blast. I very much think that math is completely separate from arithmetic. I hate arithmatic wiggle worm is faster a a lot of it than I am and she hasn't ever studdies it she just does it for fun, but math math is fun.

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I took Algebra 1 three years in a row :shifty 8th (when I started at school from homeschooling k-7, the teacher was very nice but her way of teaching the material was so so different from how I had learned things I was completely lost).
In 9th (very nice person, but horrible teacher. She graded homework on a quiz level and though I went to tutoring with her and was gaining ground I couldn't pass as I didn't test well. So on top of mistakes in homework my failing tests meant that school year was awash).
In 10th I finally had a teacher who wouldn't let me fail, I tutored with her daily and came out with a solid B most of the year.
I took geometry in 11th (same teacher, did ok with tutoring) and business math my senior year.
I had major anxiety about math and testing was just a nightmare, even if I knew the formulas and proper steps I would second guess my answers. :doh

I would focus on having good life skills, and rooting the basics in business math. I use that math all.the.time. and rarely have I needed algebra. :)

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Thanks all. I'm fine with her needing to work at where she is. I was more wondering like how that worked as far as issuing her a diploma. Like what if anything is required.

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Have you seen this article on algebra? I think it will encourage you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-huge-problem/

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You are the one who issues a homeschool diploma. You get to decide!

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You do get to decide, however, if she has plans on going to college, you may want to look at entrance requirements for the schools she might want to go to.

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You may be ok with it, but lacking certain math courses effectively makes about 75% of well paying careers out of her reach. It could greatly impact her future.

What does the high school have to say about this, or is she HSing?

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However, this means nothing if it keeps her out of well paying careers. :(

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Not all kids are ABLE to take higher maths . I agree with what Singingmom said: All that to say, if public schools can accommodate struggling learners like this, so can you, and without guilt or worry. Theirs will be a different path.

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Here is AZ's high school graduation requirements:
http://www.azed.gov/adeinfo/hsgrad/

She needs 4 credits of math, though you can modify the personal curriculum down to 3. Algebra 1 is required but Algebra II is flexible if you use the personal curriculum option.

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But if a child has LD of any kind accomodations are made. Not all kids can meet the requirements

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Does she enjoy reading? Algebra Unplugged is an great book. It's algebraic thinking without any problems. It's perfect for those with math anxiety. Dragon Box app is another that comes to mind.

As far as college, if she wants to do that, she may need to pass a basic mathematics course but there are places where she won't need to pass algebra unless she wants to major in the natural or applied sciences. Starting at a community college would probably be a great idea as they have the staff and experience to help people who may be behind in one subject or another. (Plus it saves a ton of money.)

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At the high school and I work out, if a student needs modifications, then their high school diploma Mark's at so. If it's any consolation, my husband hated math all through high school and even College when he went to college ten years after graduating high school. He is now a middle school teacher and loves teaching math. And his students have told me that he's the best math teacher they've ever had. All this from a guy that took two years to pass a basic math class in college.

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I would do a consumer math and maybe a math education credit. Logic can also count as math. You could try statistics, too. As long as you do enough math credits you should be good. But also you should probably work a lot on what is going to be on the act or sat if you think she might want to go to college.

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Oh I have read about music math classes as well in highschool she might like that.

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While I appreciate what you're trying to say here, is having a well-paying career and making sure our children can have one a main goal of homeschooling? We certainly should do everything we can to set them up for success, but it's also OK for her to work toward better math efficiency later if she really needs/wants to :shrug

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It should be a main goal of any kind of schooling. There's plenty of research that suggests that people are happier and less anxious when they earn a certain base level of income and are not scratching from paycheck to paycheck. An education that blocks off 75% of the possibility for her doing this isn't a successful education. :shrug3

D has shared her frustration at living paycheck to paycheck. I can't imagine she wants that for her daughter.

Later, when one has to work 2-3 poorly paid jobs just to make the rent, would seem to be a much harder time to address it.

Thankfully she and her family still have time to address it now.

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Her DH is a PhD University professor. They don't lack educational achievement.

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My goal is to get her to a level where she can pursue a higher\college levels of she wants. If it is she will be able to although the journey may be tougher. I want to build her confidence..

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There is an app called dragon box which is basically algebra without the maths.

Also my DS loves the maths game Prodigy it's at their level and you can see all the stuff the do and set it for things they are good at to increase confidence. It's also free.

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FWIW I in no way want her to give up on math. However I also must face some reality. She is probably working on around a 6th 7th grade level math wise. She also gets crippling math anxiety to such a degree it can affect everything. Were working on that including with medication but its a "new" step and wont jsut be an over night fix or an easy one.
She is 15 and in 10th grade, while I know she doesn't HAVE to graduate in 2 more years I still have to be realistic on how long she can take. She is one level in all other courses though yes I do have some concern with say her Sciences as we progress..
Id like her to do a consumer math type course because I honestly believe it includes some great skills for anyone to have. "Math" wise I'm hoping to have her in Algebra 1 by next fall, then probably Geometry we may or may not get to Algebra 2..
Its not that I don't believe she could ever do Advanced algebra or above heck she might find she does quite well in those. Its that I don't think she is going to reach those levels in the the next 2-3 years.

SO my main questions was if there was some specific math requirement she HAD to meet in order for me to issue her a diploma? SO my title was maybe a bit misleading apologies for that.

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SHE actully does REALLY well with the dragon box app..

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I have no idea what one considers a decent paycheck. We gross about $15,000-$20,000 above our states median income.. Medical cost and mandatory retirements take up a gigantic cut of this but we aren't like struggling to put food on or pay utilities of mortgage. We have had hard times and honestly are still trying to "rebuild" from those hard days. We've faced some harsh medical issues that haven't always made life easier. It is not though from a lack of education though.

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OK, thanks for being honest about your opinion. I totally disagree, especially in a situation where pushing a subject is causing the emotional turmoil as it is here. If the emotional turmoil is managed, then she can later work toward higher math efficiency.

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Agreed. And I'm not saying she needs a Master's, or even necessarily a Bachelor's. There are jobs all over going begging because the person needs 2 years of technical education. However, the basic high school triad of Algebra 1/Geometry/Algebra 2 is pretty crucial.

Has she ever tried either Khan Academy or Life of Fred?

Your particular region of the country is sort of interesting (and not in a good way) because the state very realistically came to educators during the great recession and got educators to give up lots of things during that period to stay employed. However, once things improved, the Tea Party was in office and didn't recoup the educators for their sacrifice because they felt rock bottom low taxes were more important. That said, imagine where you would be if your DH were working two low paying jobs for 60+ hours a week.

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Each student and person can only work within their abilities. Accomadations can and should be used. Sounds like you have a good handle on what her level i s and what works so she doesnt shut down.

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I’m w banana cake about education... but I don’t agree w the idea that someone cannot get a high paying career without high school algebra/alg 2/geometry . :no that’s naive in my opinion:shifty

My dd1 just started technical college for a decent high paying healthcare career (surgical tech- if she wants to progress and get certified for specific types of surgeries, within a few years, she can be making $90k plus). . For math, She only needed alg 1 for admittance to her program . If she didn’t have that (she took alg 1, alg 2 and geometry), they would’ve allowed her to start w remedial math while she takes her gen eds .

She didn’t take high school chemistry. I was really concerned but they don’t care ;) she just has to take it in college (high school or college level chemistry). From what I can tell community college/technical college is the answer for those who are slower learners or not good at specific subjects. Flexible w remedial options And so much chealer than regular university anyways.

My dd’s Entire 70 credit associates will be around $10k for tuition.

And many many healthcare degrees at this school have exact same entrance requirements. I don’t know much about their non healthcare programs but they have a great reputation— From what I can tell if u want to be in a program, they will help you figure out how to do it :rockon and they have a very high job placement rate :tu

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I agree. My friend up the street has her associate's and makes $30/hr as an MRI tech. That's $60k+ a year. Around here, blue collar jobs (like plumbers) make more than that :shrug

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Here all associate level technical healthcare jobs require alg 1. I’ve not yet seen beyond that required.
To clarify, my dd will start around $40k ish but the growth potential is amazing and I was told by a few RN’s not to worry (somehow I got the impression surgical tech was a kind of dead end career :shifty they corrected me and told me $90k+ is very possible within a short time frame if she chooses to certify in a lot of surgical types. She could hang out in the 40-65k range or she can continually earn more ;) I breathed a sigh of relief cuz I thought it was a $40k for the indefinite future job and I think the new generation may need significantly more than that to support themselves.

:up that’s the only reason I know specifics :shifty

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The local college here where people can get all kinds of 2 and 4 year degrees has a large variety of technical healthcare programs and requires NOTHING specific course wise. They just have to pass the entrance exams

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My DH teaches at a small local college which our kids are allowed to attend for "free" (tuition we still have to pay books and fees) Math wise honestly worse case she might have to take a remedial math to bring her more up to speed if we can't quite get her there before that day comes.

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That sounds like a great option. :tu

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That is amazing they can get free tuition :melting Says the mom watching my dd pay cash for college ;) Which I am happy she can do it but it's so much money still ;) :sigh

If she can take remedial math and still get in, I'm not sure I'd worry :think I wouldn't quit trying to get here "there." BUT when a child is struggling sometimes all they need is time. I have heard of kids who really really struggled to get all the way through Alg 1, Geo and Alg 2 only to go off take remedial math and then really do well in the higher level college level math classes surpassing what teachers/parents though they were capable of. WHY? Because their brains don't stop developing till 25 and some kids just struggle in high school.

I have also heard about many students who take Alg 1 in 8th grade, Geometry 9th, Alg 2 Sophomore and stop. by the time they are taking the ACT (junior and senior year) they have forgotten a lotand end up w a lower ACT score for math even with math prep. Then they don't study for placement tests and get placed in lower than 100 level classes :shrug3 Not sure why they don't study but I've *heard* college is such a huge adjustment that one "easy/review" class is nice. So.. . . there are fairly full remedial math and english classes for the freshmen ;)