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Wow - what an insight. Thanks for the link.

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I read the whole thing. So eye opening! And it answers so many things about the Duggars I have wondered about from watching their show as well.

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Man, I just read the whole thing. What a crazy story...Gothardism just boggles my mind. I mean, I grew up with some very conservative, fundamentalist people, but Gothardism takes it to a whole new level. :(

Thanks for posting!

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Wow. Incredible stuff. I have tons of work to do this afternoon, but all I want to do is read this from the beginning. :blush

Thank you so much for sharing this link!

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Can someone explain what ATI is?

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Google Bill Gothard and ATI (Advanced Training Institute Internationa)

I really don't much about it except that it's connected to Quiverfull. ???

I was just reading her very first post and how the idea of JOY (Jesus first Others second You third) is so tainted for her that she hates the word joy now. :cry This is so, so, so sad.

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what is TWOP that she refers to?

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So Gothard is the one where the whole idea of "covering" comes from right? I've heard this term tossed around a lot since being a Christian but wonder where it comes from Bibically. Do people who throw that terminology around ultimatly get it from Gothard?

For example, the person speaking at our church yesterday said something like "Your pastors and your small group leaders are your covering. If you step away from that, you put yourself in a place where Satan can attack you. Your leaders, however take the brunt of the attack for you if you are under their covering." This is a teaching I honestly feel I have never quite "gotten" and it seems to be something so many just accept without questioning...but where does this idea come from Biblically??? Are there others outside of Gothard that teach this as well?

Read some of the blog backwards, interested to start from the beginning too.

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"Television Without Pity" - it's a message board for TV shows. They have a long thread about the Duggars that I'm guessing she participates in. (I've lurked there before on the Top Chef and Bachelor boards).

ETA: Link - http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/

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:sick :no Not Biblical - scare tactic to encourage submission to their ideas and not read your Bible and pray for yourself.

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IIRC, an elaboration of a single verse, Paul telling women to cover their heads in church (that is, to adhere to the dress code of the day--women covered their hair in public).

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Wow. Thanks for the link.

I read the whole thing. It is sad.

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what i think i mean is where do *they* think they are getting it from Biblically? What scriptures do they use to back up this argument?

And although many that use this lingo are in controlling like environments, it seems to be something so tossed around at the same time (a sort of common christianese) that not everyone who talks like that is trying to be controlling...not sure if that makes sense or not, but, for example, I don't think the intent of the person who said that in our church the other day was trying to be controlling when he said that, yet at the same time it comes from a theology that is... :think maybe I should think about this more and do a spinoff because this is UPP and I need to get my thoughts together better too.

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I opened the blog and wanted to ask if anyone knows if there is a way to reverse the posts so they start with the oldest first? It's so hard for me to scroll up and down to try to read them in order. Anyone know?

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Oh yeah, I see what you are saying...

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I don't think so. if there is a way to do so, I've never discovered it.

What you can do is go to the archives in the right hand column, click on 2009 and then it's less to scroll through to get to the very beginning. After that, you can click on Jan 2010 and then by each month. It's a lot more manageable for me to read old archives that way.