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I'm sitting on my hands. I desperately want to reply with ezzo.info but I don't engage on Facebook. :pacing :sigh

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Sounds so frustrating! Can you unfollow or block temporarily?

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I have trouble with that, too. On the one hand, you might convince someone who is on the fence (probably not the poster, but someone reading). On the other hand, those things get so ugly so fast! I'd be tempted just to post ezzo.info, then unfollow the post. :shifty But I really do hate facebook fights and I regret entering them when I do.

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The only thing I address on FB is poor car seat use (I cannot keep quiet!), but I do it through private messaging.


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A new mom friend asked about Babywise, so I dropped the link and then unfollowed the conversation. It was too hard to not engage further!! Argh.

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It was just a meme and the meme itself wasn't bad ... But it was from the ezzo's new book or site or whatever they have, I don't even know, Beyond Babywise or something. I just want her to know not to be fooled by them. I'm not close with her and it's not a conversation I want to have online.

Maybe in a few weeks I'll post ezzo.info on my page.

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I had a really hard time with this recently. On a local yardsale group, someone posted a stack of fostering/adoption books they wanted to give away. There were several great books on attachment, trauma, etc.... and SACH. :hunh Probably the only thing that kept me from saying something was that a friend of mine runs the group.

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I always grab up copies of SACH, Ezzo, Dr. Denmark, etc. in situations like that. Then I dispose of them properly. :wink

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I thought about it but it was in the middle of our health issues back in March and there was just no time/energy.

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I do that, too. I don't see much of the super toxic stuff like SACH here (it's just not as popular) but I do see Ezzo and I also will buy it and dispose of it properly. :)

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Oooh, it's barbecue season. I should get rid of the Teenwise I picked up that way.

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Who is Dr. Denmark?

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She was a pediatrician who lived to be 114 years old. (I think she actively practiced until she was 90 or so?) She did do a lot of cool things and was a HUGE proponent of listening to the mother. But, a lot of her advice reflects the advice of the times she lived in. She was a hyper scheduler and a lot of people follow her advice to the letter and it's horrifying.



She was local to my city, so I see her books come up every so often and I always grab them, even if I have to pay a couple of dollars (at Goodwill/consignment).

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Thanks! This was clarifying.:)

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Wow, that linked blog post was awful to read through. :(

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It was... I couldn't actually finish it. :bheart

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The idea of using "newborn" and "schedule" in the same sentence is :roll, or at least it would be if it didn't cause the heartache it does for babies and parents who fall for that.

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I think you can pull that off with some babies. I'm not saying that it's a good idea or that the baby won't suffer. Just that you can pull it off with some babies and think it works. I could have probably done that with Jacob and he would have gotten into line pretty quickly.
Ivy would have been a very different story. I have said if I had chosen that approach with her, I don't think she would have survived. Or if she did, she would have been scarred for the rest of her life.
I think my two children sum up the problem with all one size fits all formulas. If you have a passive child or at least one who isn't as intense as others, you can make that work. If you have a child with any amount of spunk, you are fighting your child's nature and that's just a losing battle no matter who wins.
I'll pray, if God could reach me with a four day old newborn, then he can reach this person.

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Oh gracious! Id never heard of Dr Denmark before! I dare say shes got even worse advice on sleeping and feeding than what Ive heard of Babywise! :sick

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That blog was awful. A 3-day-old baby, being left to CIO without food or water from 10 pm until 6 pm. That is absolutely child neglect. A baby that young can get dehydrated in that amount of time, especially if baby is crying.

I commented on the blog post.

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This church I mentioned that loved Dr. Denmark has a very well known singer who is the worship leader. She had her first baby a few years ago and she posted on FB something about "Why is it that the baby sleeps all day except from 10pm to 6am?" She was just trying to be lighthearted (and didn't say anything to indicate she was letting baby CIO or withhold nursing), but I knew from that comment that they'd gotten her with the Dr. Denmark schedule. It broke my heart. I decided not to engage with that comment on FB for my own sanity but :bheart .

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:cry

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I wonder if there is an ethical way to conduct studies on kids whose parents did this kind of thing to them and one on kids whose parents did not and see just what and how profound the short and long term effects of CIO and the like really is. I know cortisol and other hormones have been measured, but I wonder if there is a way to show what else is happening and will continue to happen to those babies. It seems to me that if we can just show how hard this is on them, that parents would abandon these things in a heartbeat.