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Mamaka
04-12-2005, 12:53 PM
Ok, this isn't a pg announcement. :) There is a very very very small chance I *might* be pg, we're currently in the middle of a 2ww.

My question is related to supplements my nd has me on to help on the whole infertility/pg front. Currently I'm taking evening primrose oil (1000mg/day), symplex f (bovine PMG extract, pituitary, thyroid ) and gtf chromium (200mcg/day). Of course all say "to consult w/your physician if pg or bfing." Nd says they're fine for bfing, esp since ds doesn't bf much. So what do think? Is it okay to continue taking these if I might be pg? I've thought about stopping until I'm sure one way or another... I should know by this weekend if af shows up :td or by middle of next week if it doesn't :tu Thoughts & advice appreciated. :highfive

TIA :)

Irene
04-12-2005, 02:21 PM
I have no idea... but I was so excited there for a second :D

Mamaka
04-12-2005, 02:34 PM
Thanks, Irene. :) Maybe I'll have good news next week.

momofmany
04-13-2005, 02:19 PM
I was taking evening primrose right before my last pregnancy but stopped when I heard it could cause problems if you do become pregnant. I think it has something to do with affecting hormones in the developing baby.

boonpnutsmom
04-13-2005, 02:45 PM
I will have to break this in half as it exceeds the maximum allowed length for a posted message...



Here is probably more information that you ever wanted to know, but I had this saved from when I was pregnant with our last one....


Evening Prim Rose - Use cautiously in pregnancy. Can cause an increased incidence of prolonged rupture of membranes, arrest of descent, and vaccum.

Calcium (as carbonate, citrate, hydroxyapatite, chelate 603.7 mg) [200.3mg], Magnesium (as citrate, chelate 500mg) [100mg], Zinc (as chelate) [8.3mg], Selenium (as chelate) [13.2mcg], Potassium (as chelate) [16.6mg], Manganese (as chelate) [1.66mg], Molybdenum (as chelate) [5 mcg], Iron (as peptonate) [20mg], Chromium (as chelate) [16.8mcg], Betaine HCL (3.34mg).

Calcium needs double during pregnancy. Low calcium intake is associated with a condition involving high blood pressure and swelling called pre-eclampsia. Calcium supplementation can reduce the risks of premature delivery associated with pre-eclampsia as well as high blood pressure disorders of pregnancy. The baby's need for calcium begins the sixth week of pregnancy, and during the last trimester, the baby needs calcium to form strong bones. The baby's demands have first call on the mother's calcium, so if inadequate calcium is taken in, calcium will be drawn from the mother's bone tissue. Inadequate calcium intake may result in sleeplessness, leg cramps, and uterine pains for the mother. Calcium is also important for the baby's normal growth and development. Caution : mothers with sarcoidosis, hyperparathyroidism, or chronic kidney disease should not supplement with calcium but use only food sources instead. Magnesium requirements during pregnancy and lactation rise. Magnesium may protect against eclampsia, convulsions and coma during and immediately following pregnancy. Babies born of these mothers experience acute depression and loss of body tone and firmness. Magnesium is required for the strength of bones and teeth, a normal nervous system, tissue growth, muscular strength, blood sugar metabolism, and normal blood pressure. Magnesium with B6 helps prevent and alleviate nausea during pregnancy. Zinc : Pregnancy makes extraordinary demands on the mother's supplies. Zinc can prevent the nausea and vomiting associated with some pregnancies. In animal studies, zinc deficiency is associated with increases in birth defects and increases in stillborn offspring. Zinc is essential in the synthesis of RNA/DNA, protein, and insulin. Zinc helps in the normal development of bones, hard tissues, reproductive organs, the brain, normal growth, and normal sexual function. It is necessary for the normal functioning of the immune system and is necessary for hormone related activities. In lactation, zinc helps balance the excess copper infants are born with. As an antagonist to copper, zinc may help prevent post partum depression and psychosis associated with elevated copper levels. Zinc is reported to help prevent low birth weight. Selenium deficiency is associated with sudden infant death, crib death, and other instances of infant mortality in 25% of the cases studied. Selenium is required for protein formation, may be required for growth in human cells, and normal growth rate. In animal studies, deficiency has been linked to muscular dystrophy, pancreatic atrophy, liver necrosis, and infertility. Selenium is an important antioxidant. As a part of glutathione peroxidase, it is a protector of cell membranes. Large stores of selenium are found in male reproductive organs. Selenium also protects against heavy metal overloads of cadmium, mercury, arsenic, copper, and silver. Potassium regulates acid alkaline balance in blood and tissues, water balance, urine acidification, nerve conduction, is essential for muscle contraction, heart contractions, and normal heart rhythm. Potassium assists in discarding body wastes and helps lower blood pressure. It helps prevent female disorders by stimulating endrocine hormone production. Manganese is called the “mother love element” because animals deficient in manganese refuse to nurse their young. Manganese is necessary for the reproductive process and the function of the mammary glands. Manganese is essential for proper digestion and assimilation of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. It helps nourish nerves, muscles, and brain. Deficiencies can cause digestive disturbances, growth retardation, abnormal and deformed bone development, sterility, impotence, asthma, and grave loss of muscle strength. Deficiencies have also been linked with the development of atherosclerosis, diabetes, schizophrenia, and Parkinson's like symptoms. A manganese deficiency may also lead to confusion, convulsions, eye problems, hearing problems, heart disorders, hypertension, memory loss, dizziness, pancreatic damage, profuse perspiration, rapid pulse, tooth-grinding, breast ailments, and osteoporosis. Many of these symptoms may be caused by heavy metal intoxication. Manganese and B6 help block and release metal poisoning behind these symptoms. Manganese is essential for healthy skin, bone, cartilage formation, lubricating synovial fluid in joints, glucose tolerance, activating superoxide dismutase (SOD), protein and fat metabolism, healthy nerves, healthy brain function, muscular strength, a healthy immune system, and normal reproduction. Molybdenum deficiency is common in pregnancy since estrogen levels rise during that time increasing copper levels and depressing both molybdenum and iron levels. This condition is associated with an anemia that that does not respond to iron therapy alone. Molybdenum is essential for protein and carbohydrate metabolism. Low intake is associated with mouth, gum, tooth disorders, and cancer. Molybdenum is essential to all life and is found in all tissues. Three important enzymes require molybdenum. Molybdenum enhances enzymatic activities of xanthinase, nitrogenase, alcohol dehydrogenase, detoxifies sulfites, enhances antioxidant uric acid production, and protects against aldehyde/aromatic chemicals such as perfume and formaldehyde. Molybdenum is known to block and remove excess copper, lead, cadmium, and mercury poisoning in animal studies. Iron needs increase with pregnancy, especially during the last trimester. The mother's blood volume must expand to keep pace with the growing baby's and the mother's oxygen supply. Additional iron is needed for two to three months after birth to replenish the mother's red blood supply. Iron can aid growth, promote resistance to disease, prevent fatigue, and restore skin tone. Chromium helps the body maintain normal blood sugar levels, and healthy levels of good HDL cholesterol. Many women in Western countries are so chromium deficient that pregnancy causes a 50% drop in white blood cell levels, resulting in complete alcohol intolerance and later glucose intolerance. Chromium is required to form Glucose Tolerance Factor (GTF). Glucose is required for every cellular function from muscle contraction to nerve impulses. Chromium can aid growth, help prevent and lower high blood pressure, and help prevent diabetes. Betaine HCL assists the break down of protein in the stomach for further digestion in the small intestine, helps protect against bacterial colonization of the stomach, and helps make minerals and other nutrients more absorbable.

boonpnutsmom
04-13-2005, 02:45 PM
Vitamin B-1 (thiamin hcl) [7.5mg], Vitamin B-2 (riboflavin) [5mg], Vitamin B-6 (pyridoxine) [5mg], Vitamin B-12 (10mcg), Biotin (100mcg), Folic Acid (400mcg), Pantothenic Acid (as d-calcium pantothenate) [7.5mg], Vitamin A (fish liver oil) [500 i.u.], Vitamin E (as succinate) [50 i.u.], Vitamin C (150mg), Vitamin D (200 i.u.), Iodine (as kelp) [75mcg], Beta Carotene (1500 units), Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate (2.5mg), Choline (37.5mg), Inositol (37.5 mg), Lemon Bioflavonoids (37.5mg), Niacinamide (7.5mg), Lactobacillus Acidophilus (2 million units), Lactobacillus Bulgaricus (2 million units), Lactobacillus Bifidus (2 million units), Black Currant Seed Oil (5mg), Cod Liver Oil (7.5mg), Flaxseed Meal (26.5mg), Lactase (7.5mg), Hydrolyzed Protein (250mg), Lipoic Acid (500mcg), Betaine HCL (5mg), Pepsin (5mg), Oxbile (5mg), Lutein (500mcg), Lycopene (500 mcg), Red Raspberry (leaf) [12.5mg], Dandelion (leaf) [7.5mg].

Vitamin B-1 needs increase during pregnancy, lactation, and stress. It is called the “morale vitamin” because of its beneficial effects on the nervous system and attitude. Mood changes during pregnancy are commonly ascribed to hormonal changes, deficiencies of B vitamins and iron, and physical and psychological stresses of impending motherhood. Vitamin B-1 helps promote growth, improve digestion, and mental attitude. Vitamin B-2 aids in reproduction and growth, promotes healthy skin, hair, and nails. Needs may increase during stress, pregnancy, and lactation. Vitamin B-6 helps prevent and alleviate the nausea called morning sickness associated with pregnancy. B-6 is necessary for the formation of red blood cells, antibodies, and hydrochloric acid in digestion. B-6 helps properly assimilate fat and protein. It can also help alleviate leg cramps, muscle spasms, and hand numbness. Vitamin B-12 helps alleviate irritability and improve concentration, memory, and balance. B-12 helps the body utilize carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. It helps promote growth, increase energy, and helps maintain a healthy nervous system. Biotin levels fall progressively during pregnancy and are linked with low spirits and depression. Biotin is essential in the metabolism of carbohydrates, fat, and protein. Biotin aids in cell growth. It is essential for healthy skin and hair. Deficiency is also associated with infants developing cradle cap, dry scaly scalp. Deficiency is linked with insomnia, nausea, and anemia. Folic Acid deficiencies have been associated with neural tube defects, spina bifida, and low-birth weight. Folic acid requirements double during pregnancy. High-risk mothers to be have lowered their risk for neural tube defects by 72% by taking folic acid supplements. Other studies have shown supplementation with folic acid has helped reduce maternal infection, fetal growth retardation, helped improve birth weight, and Apgar scores. Skin problems during pregnancy are common. Dark blotches on facial skin, the mask of pregnancy sometimes disappear with folic acid supplements. Pantothenic Acid is found in all cells of the body. It is necessary to convert carbohydrates, fat, and protein into energy, plays a role in producing adrenal hormones, and is necessary for the production of neurotransmitters. Deficiencies are linked with nausea, fatigue, headache, and tingling in the hands. Pantothenic acid is necessary for normal growth, cell building, and the development of the central nervous system. Vitamin A is important for the development of a strong immune system, resistance to infection, development of hair, skin, liver, and the intestinal tract. It is a necessary component in the development of strong tooth enamel even while teeth are inside of the baby's jaw. Vitamin A is necessary for new cell growth and the utilization of protein. Deficiencies have been associated with insomnia and reproductive difficulties. Vitamin E deficiency is linked to women who cannot get pregnant or carry a fetus to full term. It is known as the fertility factor. Seventy-five percent of all pregnancies are aborted within thirty days. With marginal deficiency, the egg can be fertilized, but the uterine environment will not support the continuation of the pregnancy. It is essential for the healthy development of the nervous system and the function of the thyroid. Vitamin E helps keep the circulatory system healthy, helps keep muscles strong, and enhances endurance. When taken with meals, it helps both mother and baby assimilate nutrients more effectively. With vitamin A, vitamin E helps protect tissues against oxidation damage. Vitamin E protects omega-3 oils from oxidative damage. Vitamin C helps produce a healthy placenta during pregnancy, a healthy immune system, flexible blood vessels, and strong teeth and bones. Vitamin C is an antioxidant and detoxifier that protects against many factors potentially injurious to both mother and baby.Vitamin D is essential for the absorption of calcium from digestion into the blood system and is necessary in the utilization of calcium and phosphorous to form strong teeth and bones. Iodine is essential to the function of the thyroid gland and the formation of thyroxin. The thyroid helps balance energy production and body weight during pre- and post natal periods. It also helps regulate physical and mental activities. Beta Carotene can act as a precursor to vitamin A and as an antioxidant protecting cell membranes. It is a member of the carotene family, which includes lycopene, and lutein. Beta carotene helps protect the mucous membranes of the mouth, throat, nose, and lungs. It also protects vitamin C from oxidation, enhancing vitamin C's effects. Beta carotene enhances the effects of other carotenoids such as lutein and lycopene in the body. Caution : should be avoided in hypothyroidism. Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate , the coenzyme form of vitamin B-6, is included because some individuals cannot convert vitamin B-6 into its active enzymatic form. A portion of vitamin B6, it is one of 3 vitamins known to trigger the night-time release of Growth Hormone during sleep. It has been reported to help in the synthesis of nucleic acids. Choline helps prevent stunted growth, metabolize fats and cholesterol, proper transmission of nerve impulses, hormone production, and healthy brain function. Inositol works with choline. Inositol is necessary for proper formation of cell membranes, nerve transmission, and the transportation of fats in the body. Deficiency can lead to irritability and mood swings. Inositol has a calming effect. Lemon Bioflavonoids are water soluble plant pigments also classified as vitamin P (P stands for capillary permeability factor). Bioflavonoids block the sorbitol pathway that is linked with damage to the eyes and nerves in diabetes. They are also known as natural blood thinners that protect blood vessels and reduce platelet aggregation. As antioxidants, bioflavonoids protect cholesterol from oxidative damage. They have been reported supportive in healthy circulation, macular degeneration, retinopathy, night blindness, and cataracts. The flavonoids protect and potentiate vitamin C's roles in the body. Niacinamide: Vitamin B-3 supplementation during the first trimester has been associated with signs of healthier babies, larger head circumference, longer length, and higher birth weight. Lactobacillus Acidophilus helps provide friendly bacteria to prevent candidiasis, protect the baby at birth, and help ensure proper assimilation of nutrients. Acidophilus also produces lactase, the milk digesting enzyme missing in individuals who are lactose intolerant. In addition to producing B vitamins, vitamin K, and enzymes in your intestinal tract, acidophilus is reported to detoxify harmful substances. Lactobacillus Bulgaricus is a probiotic, like acidophilus, which promotes good digestion, boosts immune function, and enhances resistance to infection. In addition to producing B vitamins, probiotics produce bacteriocins, which kill disease causing microorganisms. Lactobacillus Bifidus , like acidophilus, produces the B vitamins, including niacin, folic acid, biotin, and B-6. Like other probiotics, bifidus promotes good digestion, inhibits the growth of unfriendly bacteria, and boosts immune function. Black Currant Seed Oil is a good source of alpha linolenic acid, an essential fatty acid. Essential fatty acids are needed for the normal development and function of the brain and aid in nerve impulses. Black currant seed oil is also contains GLA, gamma linolenic acid, which the body converts into prostaglandin E1 (PGE 1). PGE 1 is a hormone-like factor that has anti-inflammatory qualities, acts to thin the blood, and as a blood vessel dilator. Although the body can synthesize GLA, people who experience premenstrual syndrome, diabetes, or eczema have metabolic blocks that prevent the body's ability to make GLA. Cod Liver Oil is the richest source of omega-3 oils, EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) and DHA (docosahexaenoic acid). DHA is essential for vision in infants, helps prevent against some kinds of cancer, helps lower blood pressure, prevent some skin disorders, and helps keep blood from clotting too quickly. Cod liver oil is also rich in vitamins A and D. Flaxseed Meal contains the omega-6 essential fatty acid necessary for survival, linoleic acid, from which other fatty acids can be synthesized. It also has significant amounts of ALA, an omega-3 essential fatty acid called alpha linolenic acid. Essential fatty acids are essential for rebuilding and producing new cells and prostaglandins, hormone like substances that act as messengers and regulators in the body. Flaxseed meal is a good source of B vitamins, protein, fiber, zinc, magnesium, and potassium. Flaxseed meal may help lower blood pressure and has anti-inflammatory activity. Essential fatty acids aid growth and well being by enhancing glandular activity and calcium availability to cells. Lactase is essential for digesting the milk sugar, lactose, in dairy products. It is found in raw dairy products and the body produces it. However, only one-third of all people retain the ability to digest lactose into adulthood. Most people of Asian, African, and Native American descent are lactose intolerant. Half of Hispanics and 20% of Caucasians do not produce lactase as adults. Hydrolyzed Protein : A lack of protein has been linked to birth defects. Protein requirements increase 50-60% each day during pregnancy. Lipoic Acid is a sulfur containing compound that plays an important role in carbohydrate metabolism. Lipoic acid is essential in the Kreb's energy cycle and glycolysis, the metabolism of glucose. It is necessary for the body's production of energy. Used in Germany to enhance liver function, the liver relies on these processes to meet its large energy needs. Lipoic Acid helps regenerate and recycle other antioxidants such as C, E and glutathione, prolonging their existence in the body. Betaine HCL helps digest proteins in the stomach, reduce bacterial colonization of the stomach, and enhance the absorption of minerals and other nutrients.Pepsin is a proteolytic enzyme that helps digest proteins. Oxbile provides bile acids and salts that help emulsify fats so that they can be more easily digested into essential fatty acids and glycerol that can be used by the body. Lutein is an important member of the carotenoid family, which helps protect the retina and macula of the eye from sunlight damage. Lycopene is the most potent inhibitor of cancer cells in the entire carotenoid family. Found primarily in tomatoes, studies show that those with the greatest tomato intake have lowered risk for precancerous changes of the cervix, risks for gastrointestinal, and prostate cancers. Lycopene is potent antioxidant helping protect cells from oxidative damage. Red Raspberry has been traditionally used as a supportive agent in pregnancy to help prevent complications, prevent miscarriage, and ease delivery. Red raspberry is reported to rich in vitamins, flavonoids, quercitin, minerals, and tannins, helps to tone the uterus, relax the uterus, increases milk flow, and helps restore the system after childbirth. Dandelion is rich in vitamins and minerals, especially vitamin A, carotene, inulin, polysaccharides, calcium, potassium, and iron. It helps with the common digestive complaints of pregnancy, helps lower high blood pressure, helps stimulate bile flow, is mildly diuretic, and is said to tone the liver. Caution : Mothers with gallstones, stomach ulcers, gastritis should use dandelion with caution.

RealLifeMama
04-13-2005, 02:49 PM
I don't know, but I am extremely interested in knowing the answer!
I took EPO both before I got pregnant, and before I knew for sure I was pregnant, and I had a m/c.
:( I'd love to know if that contributed.
I hope that midwifetx or someone posts the answer soon!

Mamaka
04-13-2005, 03:34 PM
Wow, thanks, everyone. I appreciate all the info. (((Amy)))

I think with this info, I'll stop EPO immediately until I know for sure.

Lyssa, thanks for all the info, I'm copying and keeping it. :)

allisonintx
04-13-2005, 08:28 PM
I've never seen EPO cause a miscarriage, and I have many clients who use it through their pregnancies to manage mood swings.

The Simplex F is also okay, and might, in fact, help along a tenuous (sp?) pregnancy.

Mamaka
04-13-2005, 09:33 PM
Thank you, Allison, for letting me know. I did so more research on EPO this afternoon and that was sort of what I was seeing too. It's sooooo good to confirmation from you on this. :)

BTW, I love your ticker! So cute!